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When Is IP Theft OK?
2/26/2013

Leverage:What if IP theft is a culturally acceptable form of innovation?
Leverage:What if IP theft is a culturally acceptable form of innovation?

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pocharle
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Re: IP Theft - Not OK at all
pocharle   3/26/2013 10:56:08 PM
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gotcha. OK understood

hash.era
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hash.era   3/26/2013 12:42:26 PM
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@Pocharles: The original creator of course.

pocharle
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pocharle   3/20/2013 1:24:52 PM
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I wasn't trying to push it to the limit. Just asking a quick question to see your answer.

I understand where you're coming from and appreciate that you are not thinking like the software patent troll that control the industry as wek speak.

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Wookey   3/20/2013 1:10:54 PM
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@pocharle: How did you manage to read that into my post?

I'm saying that copyright infringement is different from theft, and requires different laws. I'm also saying that restrictive application of copyright and patent law often does more harm than good. Going round shouting 'all copying is theft' is just wrong, and very shortsighted. Patent law, in general, and certainly in the area of software does _much_ more harm than good. The entire sphere would benefit from a return to the situation prior to 1991 where software was simply not subject to patent law, because it's maths, and because it's _also_ already subject to copyright law.

Copyright in software has its uses, although the most useful use is to enable copyleft. In general everyone is much better off if they have access to the software that runs on their machines such that they can fix it or change it. So long as the software on your machines is owned by someone else you have ceded control, and if that company goes bust, or changes things in ways you don't like, you have no redress. These are good things to avoid, and vital to avoid in some circumstances.

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pocharle   3/20/2013 12:30:55 PM
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From whose perspective? The original creator or the copier?

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pocharle   3/20/2013 12:30:16 PM
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So you're saying that IP law is unnecesary?

hash.era
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hash.era   3/14/2013 12:58:21 PM
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@Pocharles: I don't think limiting can be done that easily plus limiting towards one area or two might be misleading as well. You need to be open and ready for anything.  


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Wookey   3/13/2013 9:59:34 AM
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Right, but whilst stealing a car is indeed theft, copying data is not theft. And IP is not property. Trying to treat copying and infringement as 'theft of property' is just nonsensical. Theft requires the original owner to have been deprived of their property, but with copying  they always still have it. It's not the same. It's a different area of law and has different effects.

The correct question to ask is 'When is unimpeded dissemination of information more effective than a market in information which itself generates revenue but is much slower and less efficient'? The answer probably depends on circumstnaces, but on the whole the freely-transferrable infomation scenario will bring a higher overall benefit. We've seen this in the steady rise of free software, and to a lesser degree open hardware, developments over the last 20 years.

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pocharle   3/11/2013 11:21:58 AM
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I'm not saying it has to be done.

But it is. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

It's also a way to minimize risk in the product development cycle.

But there's a thin line between imitation and blatant infringement.

hash.era
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Re: IP Theft - Not OK at all
hash.era   3/6/2013 11:46:39 AM
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pcharles: True but for how much do we have to do it ? I dont think its practical.

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