Bulls & Bears on Apple

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Eldredge
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Re: Bulls & Bears on Apple
Eldredge   1/24/2011 9:19:27 PM
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If the management team at Apple is worth their salt, they would have recognized during Jobs last absence that they need to build their innovative expertise. Hopefully, they have accomplished that goal.

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stochastic excursion   1/21/2011 11:29:58 AM
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Here's a case in point where it pays to be prudent with investments in high-profile companies.  Apple's value as a company is driven by a lot of factors, not least of which is that it was a start-up on the ground floor as PC's were first being made. 

This kind of stable value, though, has little bearing on whether you can make money buying and selling Apple stock.  Unknowables, such as the health of the person responsible for recent successful product development initiatives, drive these kinds of growth and cutbacks in the near term.

Here's a disclosure: spectacular growth is usually short-lived.  If you have a little money to throw away there's no harm in jumping on the bandwagon.  Then again, I could think of some other investment opportunities that might be worth your while...

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tender vittles   1/20/2011 9:05:33 PM
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First let me say that we wish Steve Jobs the best of luck in his medical challenges that he is facing and look forward to seeing his triumphant return to Apple.

Here's the thing, Jobs returned to Apple in 1997. Hwe was ousted in 1985 in a board room take over. The yo yo they left in charge when he left essentially had no idea what he was doing or what Apple was all about. He worked it like any other business. "Enhancing shareholder value". WHile important, this does create market segments, design products or entice people to buy those products. The company's stock price and overall decline showed the wisdom of that adventure.

While Jobs was gone he started Next. The the OS in that machine forms the underpinnings of the company's product line today in iOS4. THen he started this little company called Pixar which is the most successful computer generation imagery company on the planet. He came back to Apple and got back to work. In the 13+ years since his return Apple has hit several homeruns. Not just into the stands. But right out of the park. The core of the company at this point is strong. They have smart people working there who understand the basis of the company.

The DNA of Apple has been established. The vision is not just Jobs'. Apple will go on without Steve if that is how it turns out. But I believe that as long as they can stay focused on making the best products on th planet, innovating and creating new market segments and intelligent market shaping.....they will succeed.

Now if they can just keep the MBA crowd away from the controls.

 

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Toms   1/20/2011 12:45:03 AM
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      Boloji, jobs health conditions and his medical leaves are much highlighted news in business sector.  Apple is the brain child of job and he had done a good work for the industry, like other CEOs contribution for their parent organizations.  Under the able leadership and guidance of Job, Apple performed well both in innovation side and marketing the products.  I think whatever the works and products delivered by Apple is because of its combined team work and of course job also played a key role for it, by leading the team in a market driven way.

      I think Job's post is not permanent always and he may replace by some other efficient peoples either by today or tomorrow. In such a situation, I don’t know why market sector is so much worried about his health condition, in terms of business.  Of course we are very much scared about his medical situation with a humanitarian concern and wish him a speedy recovery.

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Anna young   1/19/2011 7:13:02 PM
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Parser, I agree the house that Steve Jobs built at Apple was not constructed out of a deck of cards. This appears to be an enduring business -- for the foreseeable future. So what if Apple misses a step or two and its stock price declines sharply, the company would still be worth a lot more than many of its rivals. Let's look at some numbers: Apple's latest market value is $312 billion compared with $38.5 billion for Nokia, $33 billion for Research in Motion and approximately $10.7 billion for Motorola Mobility.

Apple could buy any of these rivals without borrowing a dime from any company. It had $59.7 billion in cash, short-term and long-term marketable securities as at the end of the December quarter. I am not long or short on Apple's stock currently but this company makes products that people want to buy. The bulls have it, again for now.

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Parser   1/19/2011 12:45:46 PM
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Investors have to fight with three reasons for and against the purchase of Apple’s stock. Let me look at the some aspects to bearish on Apple.

  1. As long as these margins are profitable a squeeze is typical across the industry.
  2. There were voices that iPod would cannibalize iPhone having all the same features except of making standard phone calls. iPod can make phone calls using Skype and other apps. iPad, on the other hand, could compete with the MacBook Air. The concept of iPad with its processor and SDK is very different from the computer it could compete with. It is a different market niche created in such a way that those who have need for a computer and a quick access iPad will have to buy both.
  3. The subsidies can be dealt with by going to competing carriers therefore increasing volume lowering production costs etc.

General statement would be that Apple has to keep innovating and creating technological art, just like they always were, but now are recognized for it. Investing in Apple's stock seems to be more convincing at least for next few years. 


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Great report on how Apple makes a total mockery of the WallStreet system...
tech4people   1/19/2011 9:35:00 AM
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Bolaji,

I don't know if you read this post ,but this is awesome piece of work.

http://pragcap.com/apple-makes-a-mockery-of-the-system-again

Its been a well-known fact among many Investors how Apple has time and again sand-bagged expectations.But to see it being demonstrated in such clearcut and emphatic fashion is an absolute eye-opener.Stunning to say the least.

The Whole Apple shareholder scheme feels nothing but a Ponzi scheme(Lets not forget there are no dividends to speak of),and if for any reason the Ponzi stops,its going to crash like a house of cards with retail investors suffering the most(once again)....Thank God,I Don't(& Won't ever) own Apple stock.Let the Hedge funds play out their own little game here...

Regards

Ashish.

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eemom   1/19/2011 8:35:41 AM
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Anna

I totally agree with you.  One has to believe that Jobs has developed the Apple management team to carry on his legacy when/if he has to step down.  No CEO / founder that obviously cares about his company will let it depend solely on him, especially with a lot of known health issues.

I don't see a hick-up for Apple in the near future as far as its leadership position in innovation.  Like the article and others mentioned, profits or more competitiveness with its products will be what Apple has to contend with.  However, I would guess that Apple has already planned for that, so we'll see what the next innovation will be.

 

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Dave Sasson   1/19/2011 7:29:38 AM
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Increased competition should be included to the “Bearish” section.  Almost every consumer electronics company has already started and will be releasing tablets in 2011.   Many of the smartphone manufactures and mobile OS companies are starting to catch up to iPhone’s features and functionality.   

Apple will still be a major player in this space for quite some time even with increased competition and mobile software developers will still be developing iPhone/iPad/iPod apps, along with other devices.  Interestingly, I believe Mac sales should continue to do well as more and more software developers are building Apple apps, and the Mac is the best environment to build those apps on.  

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Bulls & Bears on Apple
Anna young   1/19/2011 7:01:13 AM
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It was sad to hear that Steve Jobs, a person with so much talent has to leave with great reluctance a company that he co-foundered; though it is to my understanding that it is the day to day running of the organisation that he would no longer be involved with but he will still be able to take part in strategic decisions affecting the direction of the company. 

However, I believe that Apple Inc is a strong organisation and that 'the changing of the guard' does not necessarily mean the ship will sink. Although the loss of Steve Job's acumen may be disadvantageous in the murky waters of the business and technology world, Apple will go forward in strength, its foundation is solid enough.   

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