Does Apple Have a Foxconn Problem?

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tech4people
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Re: Price of being big
tech4people   2/13/2012 9:17:11 AM
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Crypto,

Very,very good points here

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How Foxconn is able to provide this service is not Apple's concern. It may be unethical, unfair and may have labour violations. The body who needs to be concerned with such matters is the regulatory bodies in China controlled by the government. The Chinese government needs to care about its people first so that they are not exploited. If the government of a country does not care about the welfare of its citizens, how can a private company bringing business in be blamed for the unethical practices in that country? Objectively speaking, I think this is unfair.

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It underlies the core of the argument and thinking that there is only so much Private entities can(& should do).When it comes to issues of National importance(like this issue of Supposed Labor violations or otherwise) the State has to step in and clear things up decisively.

What has not escaped anyone's understanding is that Chinese workers needs and aspirations have grown in the last decade or so(not to mention their cost of living as well).They expect much-much more from their companies than before[Wage inflation means most Western manufacturers think twice before investing in China today].

The Chinese state also has failed to take care of their own people today.Thats what happens when the Chinese State has a vested interest(through their personal investments) in maintaining the status quo.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Foxconn & Apple
t.alex   2/1/2012 7:52:03 AM
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The basic question is still whether Apple is the cause of all these negative publicity or Foxconn is. Is Apple pressurizing Foxconn too much?

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Re: Apple's problem?
Douglas Alexander   1/31/2012 7:55:09 PM

Anna and others, My experience of using CMs overseas, includes the placement of employees of my company being placed in key positions watching over the various aspects of production and Quality Control. This cuts down on communication problems and allows for a program management that is immediately kept up-to-date on critical developments. If Apple had these key people on site at Foxconn, then they would have been acutely aware of any abuses and certainly able to have some impact on the employee conditions and treatment. If they turned a deaf ear and a blind eye, then they should be questioned and held accountable for not insisting on better working conditions. I think Foxconn execs would rather make a few quality of life changes for workers rather than lose Apple's business. Apple is in a major leverage position and can assure the needed changes without being charged more from Foxconn.

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Re: Apple's problem?
Anna young   1/31/2012 5:18:04 PM
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 Apple's management should have taken steps to rectify the unacceptable conditions and safety standards the workers at Foxconn factory were subjected I agree. I resonated this by stating that Apple's  "conflicts of interest" obscured it's moral obligations. 

tech4people
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How about integrating the Recycling chain with Production Facilities???
tech4people   1/31/2012 10:30:53 AM
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Guys,

Here's another interesting issue.

Apple works with a company called PowerON to safely recycle used Apple products

More details here

http://www.apple.com/recycling/gift-card/faq.html

How about using the end-material/output[Especially Metals like Gold,Silver,Copper and other Heavy metals] from the recycling back in the Apple Manufacturing process???

I am sure it would require some money spent on re-integrating these things together,but for sure,its do-able.

This will instantly(by getting reflected in the bottomline) put pressure on Apple to re-use as much metal as is possible from their old products.

Also,it will mean a dramatic drop in unsafe recycling practices done in Countries like China,Nigeria and other parts of Africa.

What do you think?

Regards

Ashish.

 

 

tech4people
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Re: What about Samsung ?
tech4people   1/31/2012 10:07:15 AM
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Chipmonk,

Its China.All China...

 

tech4people
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Re: Typical,Now that Apple has become the Top Dog everyone wants to knock them down
tech4people   1/31/2012 10:05:11 AM
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LCR,

This is a typical problem most Western consumers face.

Lack of personal responsibility.

You have the tools right in front of you-Facebook,Twitter,etc;WHich are more than enough to run a sustained campaign to put pressure on Apple to change their business habits.Obviously,the best way to do it is through the market-Stop buying their products.

But as you point out very clearly,thats beyond you.

So you have to find other ways to get your points (as a Apple Fan) across to the people at Cupertino.

Its do-able no doubt about it.

You just need to show some commitment.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Typical,Now that Apple has become the Top Dog everyone wants to knock them down
LCR-Skeptic   1/30/2012 4:05:29 PM
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Sorry, Ashish, but I think you miss the point(s).  Mr. Ojo asked a bold question - "Does Apple have a Foxconn problem?", and I presented you with a hypothetical to challenge the boundaries...e.g., is it ok for a company (not just Apple) to do whatever they want as long as they "Deliver the best quality products at the best prices and also generating record profits for shareholders" as you state?

I don't expect Chinese workers to enjoy the same benefits, salary, and living conditions that we enjoy here (USA), but there must also be an agreeable baseline (aka "playing field") from which all countries build. In our mad rush to manufacture products in low cost regions, we ought to remind ourselves that this has ramifications - both positive and negative. 

You're right that the consumer decides, and that I am a weak person for buying Apple and other products without demanding a higher standard.  But then again, I'm addicted....and the herion addict doesn't really care where the poppy is grown. 

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What about Samsung ?
chipmonk   1/30/2012 3:45:34 PM
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Last year Samsung was neck to neck with Apple in the sales of Smartphones & Tablets. Where does Samsung assemble their widgets ? So. Korea or some LCMR like China ?

Does anyone know ?

tech4people
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Re: Typical,Now that Apple has become the Top Dog everyone wants to knock them down
tech4people   1/30/2012 2:37:50 PM
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LCR,

What you say here is  neither clear nor coherent.

For instance what do you mean by this statement?

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Would it still be ok to earn an almighty dollar (or $400,000 per employee as the case may be)?


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I just want to say that The reverse argument equally applies-If you are not happy with Apple's Business practices,Don't buy their products,Its as simple as that

[Many years back,The World's Greatest Empire -The British Empire was brought down by a simple man-

Mr Gandhi by simply focussing on a total boycott of British products;I am sure it won't be too hard to do the same with Apple??? After all,you have Twitter and Facebook now which he never did have...]

I don't think that I ever heard (or saw) Steve Jobs jumping up and down and claiming his products are revered gifts to humanity[AS you point out].

Its only deluded Apple fanboys who believe in the Hype and bubble originating out of Cupertino who have themselves to blame for this situation.

And finally,once again here

"That's the same motivation that drives so many other US and European companies to turn their heads while their distributors are breaking every rule to sell products in China.

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What consumer protection or market rules did Apple break to sell their products in China???

You want a level playing field for whom???

As I said at the very beggining not very clear and coherent.

Regards

Ashish.

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