Apple, Facebook Panned in Greenpeace Report

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Barbara Jorgensen
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Re: Apple as a business
Barbara Jorgensen   2/15/2012 8:47:45 AM
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It's interesting, Bolaji. I've been circulating some of our recent reports among my Facebook friends. Of those that have worked in the tech industry, Apple is viewed as an incredible innovator with a brilliant but tyrannical leader. Social responsibility does not not come up as top of mind. To casual consumers, there is very little awareness one way or the other. Quality is a given; ease-of-use is a given; and they even get caught up in the "must have" aspect of the products regardless of price. I've come to the conclusion that Apple's CSR reputation has largely been built by Apple. Until recently, their efforts have not been particularly groundbreaking in terms of human rights or the environment. I'm not sure that is wrong as long as they abide by the law. But they are not seens as particularly proactive either.

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Bolaji Ojo   2/15/2012 8:26:55 AM
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Barb, A business has fiducial responsibility first to the stakeholder but there are different ways to fulfill that and making a profit is often dependent upon having a good reputation with the public. Apple has a good reputation for making great products but does it have a good reputation as a socially responsible company? I have my doubts but would like to know what you think? Does Apple have a split personality, that is, a great company with good products but it is also seen as an aloof and self-engrossed company? Is that correct?

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Apple as a business
Barbara Jorgensen   2/14/2012 3:03:18 PM
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I still continue to struggle with the dilemma that Apple is first and foremost a business. Avnet's CEO Roy Vallee used to explain to me who the shareholders of a business are. They are customers, employees and shareholders. (Avnet does do a lot of great stuff outside of being a business, but this is about Apple.) Are Apple's customers, employees and shareholders being served? They are. Then again, who are the stewards of the environment? Organizations such as Greenpeace; governments and, of course, citizens. Greenpeace is targeting Apple. So I start again. Apple is a business...

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Re: Apple seems to do a lot - you can't make everyone happy
Anna young   2/14/2012 12:45:58 PM
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I hope not Ashish. Time will tell.

Bolaji Ojo
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Re: Maybe Apple could do more?
Bolaji Ojo   2/13/2012 4:54:47 PM
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Ashish, Apple doesn't generate good returns. It generates crazy returns and its investors so far are willing to cut the company a lot of slack. That's obvious. I am not inclined to say the company shouldn't pay attention to the environment. I was responding to your earlier question.

Apple, like other companies, has numerous obligations to investors and the society of which it is a part. The company shouldn't ignore its social responsibility but it won't make this a priority. That's obvious. I think the company can continue to do good by doing good, that is, it can continue to make money and still position itself as environmental friendly.

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tech4people   2/13/2012 12:32:29 PM
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Bolaji,

I would disagee on this issue.

If that was the case,then Stocks like ExxonMobil,Tobacco companies,Alcohol Companies,Gun Companies,etc,etc would never be a core part of most Pension funds .

They generate reliable returns for investors Year after Year after Year.

Do they do good for the environment?

Not exactly.

So why can't we judge Apple along the same lines also???

Ashish.

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Re: Apple seems to do a lot - you can't make everyone happy
tech4people   2/13/2012 12:27:16 PM
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Bolaji,

Maybe Apple should go ahead and fire the entire PR Department then???

[For a collective Failure..]

Ashish.

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Re: Apple seems to do a lot - you can't make everyone happy
tech4people   2/13/2012 12:24:24 PM
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Bolaji,

Maybe Apple should go ahead and fire the entire PR Department then???

[For a collective Failure..]

Ashish.

Bolaji Ojo
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Re: Apple seems to do a lot - you can't make everyone happy
Bolaji Ojo   2/13/2012 11:22:18 AM
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Jenn, Apple doesn't have a "known" PR spokesman. Its recognized spokesperson has always been the man at the top. It was Steve Jobs until his death and now it's Timothy Cook. It would have been suicidal to fire Jobs and it would be crippling to fire Cook.

But you are right. There's a PR failure here. The company seems to be catching on fast, though. It has engaged with the Fair Labor Association to audit its suppliers' facilities. Apple may not want to elevate this to crisis level by addressing the issues directly with a conference call but my opinion is that it should; put everything on the table, tell the world what you've seen, how you are tackling the problems and introduce third-party verifiers. That should be satisfying.

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Re: Maybe Apple could do more?
Bolaji Ojo   2/13/2012 11:10:40 AM
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Apple is certainly fulfilling its obligations to investors. I wouldn't complain if I owned shares in Apple. Today, the stock price briefly exceeded $500 for the first time and once that threshold has been crossed, you can imagine $600 is next. :)

So, Apple is doing what it promised to shareholders. But in order to continue that, it must also find ways to avoid being badly labelled. It could be easy to simply ignore the protesters but the drip, drip, drip could end up hurting Apple and its investors.

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