Key Violations at Foxconn's Apple Plants

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Ariella
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Re: What happens when Pseudo-Socialists try to corner a Market.
Ariella   4/4/2012 1:36:05 PM
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@Ashish, Such a nice reception, thank you! I've been around, though we may have been concentrating on different posts. Nice point in the link, and a great phrase: " kleptocratic Keynesian fiat bubble ."

tech4people
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Re: What happens when Pseudo-Socialists try to corner a Market.
tech4people   4/4/2012 12:33:43 PM
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Ariella,

How are you doing????

Its been ages since I heard anything from you-Longtime No see...

Yes,you are right-Personal Responsibility& Choice is always the Key.

There is only so much any Govt no matter how well-intentioned it is can do.

We have a choice, do we want an incompetent Nanny state(which controls everything) in charge or we do take charge ourselves and decide whats best for ourselves?

This is why the Foxconn decision to cut Paid Over-time drew so much flak amongst the workers.

Simon Black writes a very fascinating blog on this very issue here

http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/occupy-movement-missing-the-point/

His latest post(which this one is a classic and talks about the real issues we are facing today).

Regards

Ashish.

Ariella
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Re: What happens when Pseudo-Socialists try to corner a Market.
Ariella   4/3/2012 9:02:59 PM
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@Ashish your PS holds true in all cases. 

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Re: Misconceptions about China manufacturing & labor costs
djlevy   4/3/2012 12:02:01 PM
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Bolaji, 

You ask why. The simple answer is this: a failure of imagination.

The majority of leaders and managers in China manufacturing (including Chinese, Taiwanese, Hong Kong-ers, Koreans, westerners, etc. ) simply cannot imagine Chinese manufacturing done differently than it is done now.  They can only imagine it as it is now, just getting "more expensive" and therefore "less productive". They respond to reduced productivity by simply doing more of the same, but trying to do it cheaper. And they tend to focus on the one cost driver they think is the most malleable: labor. Workers are getting more money, so speed up the conveyor to get 5% more pcs/hour. (And forget abut the 20% productivy improvement you could get by eliminating waste in your processes, by more creative vendor negotiations, etc. etc.) 

It's difficult for them to imagine that labor rate does not equal labor costs (counting hidden costs takes too much imagination),  and that labor productivity is not a zero-sum game, erroded by labor costs. Labor value counts too (but accessing the value of Chinese laborers also takes imagination). Factory managers and accountants usually have issues with this type of thinking. 


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Re: Misconceptions about China manufacturing & labor costs
Bolaji Ojo   4/3/2012 9:18:40 AM
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djlevy, You are correct companies don't benefit at least in the long term by squeezing workers. Yet, many continue to do this and despite all denials, the reality is that Apple and the other OEMs manufacturing in China didn't by themselves decide to raise employee salaries and improve workplace conditions until activists got involved.

Your conclusion that the cost to these companies of improving labor conditions and the terms is minimal is also correct. So, why won't they simply do this?

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Re: Misconceptions about China manufacturing & labor costs
Ariella   4/3/2012 8:19:48 AM
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@djlevy I like the idea of "mean (not mean) supply-chain strategies."

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Misconceptions about China manufacturing & labor costs
djlevy   4/3/2012 4:19:45 AM
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Speaking as a manufacturing leader in China, I can tell you that many people fail to understand one important fact: that companies like Apple and Foxconn get little or no benefit from stressing their workers. Actually, I argue, the hidden cost of doing so ends up greater than the benefit of incrementally lowered labor costs.

This is why China, despite its rising labor costs, is still an a attractive manufacturing environment-- because those increased costs are not that significant in the first place, and also because those cost increases can be offset by implementing lean (not mean) supply-chain strategies.



 

 

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Anna young   4/1/2012 11:47:10 AM
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@WaqasAltaf, You're correct, the role and power of the media is unparalleled. The bad publicity forced the hand of Apple to review its working relationship with Foxconn and highlighted the factory's working conditions, this is the effect of the changes we read in the report. It's good.

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WaqasAltaf   3/31/2012 11:54:58 PM
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@ TaimoorZ

 "I hope the working conditions in Foxconn improve because of this."

With Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, eyeing towards building strong relations with investors, he is more likely to make efforts to remove such problems for the future as if news like this one can make headlines, there may be several other weaknesses of Apple which may make headlines too and these cumulatively, may become a reason for divestment and revenue fall. Also, not to forget the role social media can play in the debacle.

WaqasAltaf
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Re: new chapter in manufacturing
WaqasAltaf   3/31/2012 11:37:55 PM
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" Despite all this damning revelation, it did little to deal a dent  in Apple's sales margin"

@ Anna

This is something that might encourage more organizations to break laws as they wont have to fear revenue loss. However, with social media becoming more and more powerful, tables may be turned and revenue losses can force organizations to avoid activities that cause bad publicity.

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