IHS: Nokia Windows Phone Strategy 'On Brink of Failing'

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WaqasAltaf
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Targetting less-captured countries
WaqasAltaf   4/14/2012 1:42:58 AM
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I am feeling sympathetic to Nokia over and over again. While being the pioneer of quality and cheap phones in the last 2 decades, I cant believe that within 3-4 years time it stands nowhere esp in the smartphone category. And failing in the smartphone category means failing in the future.

Meanwhile, with rocks thrown from all over the place, Nokia needs to believe in its ability to build user-friendly and quality phones and it will not be for the first time that it has to do it. It carries tons of experience which other manufacturers dont have, atleast that to Nokia's extent and this should be a big plus for Nokia to make a come back.

Also, its worth mentioning that Nokia has still not lost its reputation that much in many developing and under-developed economies, which are and have been big markets in terms of units sold and Nokia should make them their target market if it needs to capture some of smartphone market's ground.

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Re: Nokia Windows phone strategy
Anna young   4/14/2012 6:13:21 AM
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"A year and a half after Windows Phone 7's debut, it has changed little. In effect, the gap in features between Windows Phone and Android or the iPhone has widened and not shrunk as Nokia needed it to".

I think Nokia will need to come up with a quick strategy here. It is unlikely Lumia 900 will bring Nokia the leverage anticipated at least not in the US by all accounts.

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Revival for Nokia?
prabhakar_deosthali   4/14/2012 6:44:24 AM
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Nokia's LUMIA model is being advertised very agreesively in India market  with a lot of TV commercials and it seems to have made some imapct here . Recently I saw my niece buying this phone and it looked really sleek , light weight compared to the Samsung Galaxy and elegant.

In India Nokia brand very popular because of a very sturdy and durable design of its phones and I am sure with agressive marketing here Nokia can regain its leadership position.

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Re: Revival for Nokia?
_hm   4/14/2012 7:12:54 AM
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Nokia can look for new and different market and will get eventual breakthrough in near future.

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Re: Revival for Nokia?
Hospice_Houngbo   4/14/2012 9:29:33 AM
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@_hm

"Nokia can look for new and different market and will get eventual breakthrough in near future."

Easier said than done. This new and different market is called "emerging countries". But there Nokia can just sell its low-cost products. Obviousely, that cannot help the company compete with its rivals.

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Re: Revival for Nokia?
TaimoorZ   4/15/2012 11:18:31 AM
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I like the Lumia phone in terms of it's looks and hardware specifications. However, compared to Android, the downside to it would be that there will not be a large number of apps available for Windows Phone right now. If Nokia and Microsoft really need to make a name for themselves in the smartphone market, they have to engage more developers into making apps on Windows platform so that they can compete with Andrioid and iOS.

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little room to maneuver
Hospice_Houngbo   4/14/2012 9:49:20 AM
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It seems that the end is coming for the Finnish company. When you have little tactical room with no apparent backup strategy, you have certainly reached a critical point in your business.

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Re: little room to maneuver
t.alex   4/14/2012 1:23:31 PM
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How many Lumia phones have been shipped so far?

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Re: little room to maneuver
Wale Bakare   4/15/2012 10:53:44 AM
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That would probably dependent on how consumers see attractiveness in the phone. In US and Europe Apple has the total control, where in Asia and Africa market portion has been slashed into pieces to scramble for --- there competitive seem far dictative by low income earners unlike in US and Europe.

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Re: little room to maneuver
WaqasAltaf   4/15/2012 11:12:10 AM
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@ Wale

Good point raised. There is still a considerable % of mobile users in many countries that have not yet shifted to smartphones and for Nokia, those should be the potential consumers that may try out Windows based smartphones. However, to capture this potential customer segment, cheap handsets and good marketing are the key which can override the widespread word of already smartphone users of IOS and Android. We should not yet write off Nokia's Windows adoption decision and may be there is a lot to come.  

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Re: little room to maneuver
Wale Bakare   4/15/2012 5:27:57 PM
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@WaqasAltaf, thanks.  Do you think iPhone and iPad series are really appealing to larger percentage of mobile consumers in those areas? Considering lot on extreme low incomes.  Nonetheless, if Nokia had taken the advantage fighting it out with few Android based phone makers, who have little or no credibility in phone business then by now it would have probably be in market front foot.

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Re: little room to maneuver
WaqasAltaf   4/16/2012 10:55:15 AM
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@ Wale

"Do you think iPhone and iPad series are really appealing to larger percentage of mobile consumers in those areas?"

Yes. In this era of global village, the grapevine is so rapid that every news about whats best in the market spreads lightening fast. However, when we compare the reputation of Nokia in the developed economies (which I assume has been strucken quite bad) with that in developing and underdeveloped economies, it still aint that bad. So before left positive reputation of Nokia catches fire too, Nokia should come back hard and only way to do it is right marketing and cheap products. That shouldnt be as easy as I recommend; I know.

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hmm maybe not
Nemos   4/14/2012 6:44:37 PM
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"Nokia stands on the brink of failing with its smartphone strategy, again." Despite the lack in shipment, I believe Nokia is in the good path right now. I have changed my mind since I heard excellent reviews about the new windows 7 for tablets (something similar will see on the mobiles also).

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Re: hmm maybe not
TaimoorZ   4/15/2012 11:02:39 AM
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@Nemos: Nokia's success with Windows is still a speculation and no concrete results are out yet which can indicate how profitable the move was for Nokia. I still think Nokia made a very premature decision by signing up for a Windows-based tablet without properly assessing the success with Windows-based smartphones.

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Re: hmm maybe not
Nemos   4/16/2012 5:16:42 PM
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Yes it is a speculation of course, and it is based at the very good reviews that the windows 7 platform has until now.

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Re: hmm maybe not
Rich Krajewski   4/16/2012 7:24:52 PM
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"...the very good reviews that the windows 7 platform has until now."

 

"Until now." Lol.

Well, I'm glad it got good reviews. It may time to join the collective, which may have been the secret message behind CEO Elop's announcement ("Only the Lonely," see below). In other words, when a user joins Microsoft by getting a smartphone with Windows inside, that person will never be lonely again, as he or she will then become part of the Microsoft interconnected community, of which Bill Gates is the central religious figure, and Nokia CEO Elop his son. Elop will then be promoted by one rank in the alphabet from E to F. (And don't say Elop is Pole spelled backwards, because you've already missed your chance, and, besides, we refuse to take the blame.)

In all seriousness, though, I hope their new phone is boffo good. I root for them to succeed, the same way I root for the Mets and Cubs.

And if they let me review it, I might find some good things to say (if I can find good things) I have been brutally honest in the past, and was very unhappy when I had to write bad reviews, because it sometimes meant the loss of a huge amount of work on the part of one company or another--bad work, it turned out--but when the product is already offered for sale, then the reviews have to be honest. Better that a company asks for private reviews before release of the product, and then incorporates the suggestions, but then again maybe the market moves too quickly for very extensive QA feedback.


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Re: hmm maybe not
Bolaji Ojo   4/17/2012 8:11:54 AM
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This is the headline of a story on Nokia this morning: "Nokia can't compete with Apple, Android, say European carriers". Nuff said.

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Caution on Nokia smartphones
Cryptoman   4/15/2012 12:18:03 PM
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I think Nokia truly messed up the transition from its excellent mobile phones to the smartphone market. I am not sure why that happened or how it was allowed to happen. With such a huge market share on the mobile phone market in the past, where did it all go wrong for Nokia in the smartphone market? Why did they lose faith in their existing Symbian OS and decided to switch to Windows? Was Symbian's capabilities so much inferior to Windows to prompt such a sudden change in direction?

I have ben a loyal Nokia customer until recently when I bought an N8 with confidence because it carried the trustworthy Nokia brand on it. However, the disappointments I had with this smartphone made me go cold turkey on Nokia's smartphones altogether. I am sure I am not the only customer who feels this way. I have been reading many posts by other smartphone victims who have moved away from Nokia.

Therefore, besides the technical reasons why Nokia's smartphones are not doing well, one big reason for Nokia's failure is the loss of customer confidence. Nokia should have never rolled out substandard smartphones to the market to make a quick buck. That was a huge mistake; a mistake that Nokia is and will be paying for for months to come. The first smartphone from Nokia should have been something eye catching, reliable and usable. That would have really helped Nokia to make its mark besides other smartphone giants.

The question Nokia should be asking itself now is not which operating system or which touchscreen but how to restore the customer confidence that has been lost. I am not sure how Nokia will achieve this but judging by the way things are going if tomorrow Nokia announces that it will close its smartphone shop and open a tablet/PC shop with Windows OS on it, I would not be surprised !

 

 

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Re: Caution on Nokia smartphones
Wale Bakare   4/15/2012 5:13:38 PM
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Why did they lose faith in their existing Symbian OS and decided to switch to Windows?

I think panic and uncertainty could have lead to decision --- ditching Symbian for Windows. Market is too tight for Nokia now to get back to its past glory.


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Re: Caution on Nokia smartphones
Bolaji Ojo   4/16/2012 1:17:38 PM
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Wale, Nokia panicked. That verdict may seem unjust to the current management but I believe it sums the situation where CEO Stephen Elop threw the baby out with the bath water. Symbian had a respectable market share and it could have been pushed harder, its kinks worked out and backed with great hardware.

People are touting Nokia's Lumia today but that's not just because Windows OS is so terrific but because the underlying hardware is attractive. Symbian should have done for Nokia what Windows OS is doing for the company today. They underestimated the impact of the decision to dump Symbian.

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Re: Caution on Nokia smartphones
t.alex   4/16/2012 6:29:31 PM
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I myself is also Nokia user for quite sometime. The device hardware lasts long, the symbian OS is fast and responsive,  and hardly did I need to reboot the phone. Until recenty i laid my hand on an Android phone..

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_hm   4/16/2012 7:07:09 PM
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I do have Nokia Symbian mobile. It work very good for my son and he is very happy. Nokia should revive Symbian OS.

 

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Re: Caution on Nokia smartphones
Himanshugupta   4/17/2012 7:47:35 AM
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The problem with Windows phone that i encounter is that only a few people will carrys such a smartphone. The ecosystem is fragile and as compare to the andriod phones, not so many apps that can keep you and your friends busy. Moreover, if one person has windows and others Andriod then it is just difficult to get enough help or information about configue or apps.

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An Announcement from CEO Elop
Rich Krajewski   4/15/2012 11:29:36 PM
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CEO Elop sings about the cell phone business.



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Re: An Announcement from CEO Elop
Bolaji Ojo   4/16/2012 1:30:39 PM
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Rich, If Nokia is "lonely" today it's because it pushed itself into the wilderness of the handheld operating system market. It could have chosen Android but instead dropped Symbian for Windows where it is truly an orphan adopter.

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Re: An Announcement from CEO Elop
Rich Krajewski   4/16/2012 1:55:12 PM
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"If Nokia is 'lonely' today it's because it pushed itself into the wilderness of the handheld operating system market."

Victims of self-injury still need our love. Maybe Nokia's code-naming of their new smartphone the "Masochism I" was just Nokia's way of tapping into a new customer psychographic. Who knows? They may be on to something. If people want Windows on their smartphone, they may also want to replace the ring tone with an electrode and crisp, high-voltage shock.

I for one want to extend the hand of sympathy and love to CEO Elop, and let him know I have a place for him in my house whenever he wants it (there used to be a bedroom in the basement that I can reconvert).





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Re: An Announcement from CEO Elop
Anna young   4/23/2012 8:20:01 AM
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@Rich Krajewski, you show little sympathy for Nokia's plight :).  Nokia's market situation clearly shows that the strategic partnership agreement between both Nokia and Microsoft might be short lived, if market appraisal fails to improve for Nokia I think.

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Re: An Announcement from CEO Elop
Rich Krajewski   4/23/2012 12:38:19 PM
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Well, I wouldn't automatically equate making fun with lack of sympathy, or ill will. A lot of the time it is just a way to point out that a situation needs correction (where the correction involves hiring me once I finish my Finnish studies). So my kidding Elop and Nokia isn't really connected with lack of sympathy or ill will. And, besides, Elop et al are so far removed from any harm I could do them, that their well being doesn't depend in the least on what I say.  So, I'm free to kid them with clear conscience that my kidding will not dent said Elop's grocery money, but will instead delight the millions and millions of readers who come to this site looking to learn more about the top links in the global supply chain.

I'm especially free to point out Nokia's problems when the New York Times does it, too! Here is an online version of an article they published under the print headline of "Windows Phone's Mixed Success is Slight Salvation for Nokia." (The online version of this article is slightly different, with a different headline and somewhat different text, but it's practically the same article. I checked. Not surprisingly, the online version incorrectly references the print version's headline. The New York Times should hire me to fix those things for them, once I learn New Yorkese.)

In the article, CEO Elop explains that he's irritated with himself. "Clearly, we are disappointed with our performance," he said, barely able to see for the tears flooding his eyes and running down his cheeks. Most people thought the tears were over Nokia's performance, but those in the know realize it is part of separation anxiety. Elop is a child of Microsoft's (he used to work for them), and it is only natural for him to feel upset now that he is living with his other parent, Nokia. It's also no wonder that he wants his new parent Nokia to date his other parent, Microsoft, even though Microsoft rides a broom and wears a peaked hat. All it will take is a little marketing to patch things together and everything will be alright.

In fact, Nokia's marketing department is on the job right now. They have purchased all the rights to the movie The Ten Commandments, and will digitally insert CEO Elop into the role of Moses. He will be shown holding a Lumina cellphone instead of stone tablets. They are thinking of replacing the musical score with some of the Microsoft harmonica music that you currently hear when Windows starts. Microsoft and Nokia will be so proud of Elop, that they will marry immediately. Then the naysayers will open their eyes. My sources tell me that there is a large banner in the Nokia marketing department that says, "Brink of failing!? This will show that Bolaji!"

 

Okay, here's some preview music until Nokia can get the rights to Microsoft's harmonica music:

 



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Re: An Announcement from CEO Elop
Rich Krajewski   4/23/2012 1:21:57 PM
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Another Nokia marketing coup: Major Elop rides alone in Finland's big country, but not for long.

 

 

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Re: An Announcement from CEO Elop
Bolaji Ojo   4/23/2012 6:15:02 PM
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Rich, Wicked! Just plain wicked! But seriously, I thought it ridiculous Stephen Elop's claim that he was surprised at the company's performance. What was he expecting? He cuts off the wrong limb and proclaims shock the patient didn't get well. Ridiculous.

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Re: An Announcement from CEO Elop
Rich Krajewski   4/23/2012 6:56:12 PM
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I am starting the "Let's Elope with Elop Club" to help him build his ego back up.

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Jay_Bond   4/16/2012 11:11:50 AM
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As much as Nokia has tried to regain market shares, Microsoft needs to take some of the blame also. They have left the Windows OS stagnant for the last year and that has hurt Nokia. While Nokia was making the change to Windows OS, Microsoft should have been working on the OS and making a splash to draw customers away from Android or Apple.

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Bolaji Ojo   4/16/2012 11:55:46 AM
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Right. It's not clear what Microsoft is doing to push Windows OS for handhelds or is this all on Nokia (backed by Microsoft's money)? Is Nokia supposed to be the only company using Microsoft OS aside from a handful of other OEMs?

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Windows phone strategy
Barbara Jorgensen   4/17/2012 9:59:45 AM
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I've never been a fan of Microsoft although I use its products every day. I simply haven't had the passion--yet--to convert to Apple or Android. I use my cell phone as a phone and that's it. But Android and Apple have clearly captured the imagination of a loyal set of users, and I agree, Nokia embracing Windows instead of promoting its own OS was a bad move in a market that thrives on differentiation.

If I were a phone maker, the last user I would go after is someone such as myself--someone who uses a phone to make and receive phone calls. There are a  lot of markets in which being a replacement player is profitable, but mobile phones ain't one of them.

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Bolaji Ojo   4/18/2012 8:37:56 AM
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Barbara, So, what's the survival strategy Nokia should be looking at? It may be too early to conclude but I am even more convinced Nokia is backing the wrong operating system in Windows OS.

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Nokia
Barbara Jorgensen   4/18/2012 10:15:35 AM
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As a fan of plain-vanilla phones, I'm not the best person to advise Nokia, but what I would say is there is not a lot of value in being an also-ran. In other words, Windows is not a differentiator in the cell-phone market. If Nokia is looking to break new ground, Windows is not the way to go. I'm not even sure the poplulation of Windows apps is a good reason to use the Windows OS. Symbian might have been the differentiator Nokia needs, but at this point we may never know.

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Bolaji Ojo   4/18/2012 11:03:11 AM
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What puzzles me is why Nokia adopted Windows operating system after deciding to kill Symbian OS. I suppose the amount of money and support Microsoft was willing to throw in convinced Nokia's management and perhaps the relationship CEO Elop had previously with Microsoft where he previously worked. Beyond that, it didn't make sense to go and support "an also ran" as you put it.

Symbian may have been problematic for Nokia in that it had been overtaken by Apple and Android but it still had a bigger market share than Windows OS. Finally, why couldn't Nokia simply insist on supporting at least two operating systems? Why reject Android? Google might have been convinced to also support Nokia although its decision to buy Motorola Mobility may have been a hurdle.

Finally, today, I don't even think about the operating system behind the phone when making a purchase. I don't care whether it's Android, Symbian or Windows (please note I didn't include Apple iOS). I just want the device to work well and be easy to use. That's all. I wouldn't care either whether it is a Motorola Mobility, Nokia or Samsung device. It doesn't matter that much anymore. I buy based on what I see (aesthetic) and ease of usage. Could Nokia managers be finally convinced they don't need this "we-are-Windows" slogan? They need to focus on hardware and let the OS market sort itself out.



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