Counterfeiters Aren't Winning: Here's Why

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Bolaji Ojo
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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
Bolaji Ojo   5/29/2012 1:07:34 PM
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Ashish, You need to have more faith in mankind; :) Yes, China is host to counterfeiters but don't blame these folks alone. How about the end receivers? The example you gave is a good one. Indian officials can get the Chinese government to close down some fake product manufacturers but these will only be reopened elsewhere. The best way to fight this is to kill demand for the fake products and combat it also at the consumers.

You know very well this has happened in the "Drug War" the U.S. has been waging for decades. Drug traffickers and producers just move from one company to another.

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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
Ariella   5/29/2012 11:33:08 AM
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@Ashish, yes, it is scary. Unfortunately, even legit medicines sometimes bring on unforeseen side effects, as well. But we do hope that such risks are minimized by rigorous research.

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tech4people   5/29/2012 11:10:42 AM
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Ariella,

You gotta Do,What you Gotta Do!!!

Just like You I feel Human Life is very valuable and Companies(& countries since its a State-wide Problem in China) should not play Games(like these cases) when Lives are at stake.

People take medicines in the Hope/confidence that it will make them better.Then we hear of incidents like this...

Its scary.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
Ariella   5/29/2012 10:50:11 AM
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@Ashish you always make your point with great flair! You're right about countrfeit drugs; I've heard of deaths resulting from inadequate substitutes. As for counterfeit foods, it depends on how they are presented and what's in them. 

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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
tech4people   5/29/2012 9:09:24 AM
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Bolaji,

Nobody would be happier than me if this happens(Counterfeit companies in china are shut down);but Information that I am getting on the Ground tells me a completely Different story.

For Demonstration sake,I would like to share with you the cases of Dabur(One of India's largest Manufacturer of FMCG Products-just like P&G or Unilever).

Dabur exports a lot to Africa and the Middle East where there is a Big market for their products.

For the last Three Years they are having to spend more and more on Policing and Seizing of Fakes (especially in West Africa) than on Marketing their Products there!!!

I have friends inside the Company and they tell me that  Top-Level Senior Execs(alongwith Indian Govt Officials) have gone so many Times to China and specifically Shown the Govt which factories are making the fakes.

Still No Action!!!

Another case is that of India's Generic Drug Companies which Sell very cheap drugs in Africa;even here So many Consignments of Fake Drugs coming out of China(all stamped with a (Made in India Label);that it boggles the mind and ths scale of most of these cases are clearly beyond the resources of most African Countries enforcement Divisions.

The Indian Companies complain back to the Indian Govt which takes it up with the Chinese Govt.But again,No Action.

Why is that?

The Major Reason is because Most of the Counterfeit companies are owned explicitly by the Communist Party Officials ;who not just want to make Money but also have a Social Responsibility(to provide Jobs) to their constituents.

I personally feel Counterfeit Drugs and Food products are more dangerous to Human Society than Fake Software.

But to expect action Here is expecting too much.

Regards

Ashish.

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Jay_Bond   5/29/2012 8:36:24 AM
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I think it is a positive sign that companies are disclosing the fact that they found counterfeits in their supply chain. This shows that they are taking responsibility and willing to work with others to try to reduce and ultimately stop counterfeits.

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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
Bolaji Ojo   5/29/2012 7:22:57 AM
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Ashish, You juxtaposed the size of China's legal economy and the counterfeit segment and you seem to find them of equal size, hence the statement "any move to curb their employment will not be happening anytime soon." I don't agree. The Chinese government cannot thumb its nose at the rest of the world. When fake parts compromise aviation and military systems, it becomes a collective concern and you can bet the largest military system in the world won't accept the status quo.

China is already taken steps to curb incidents of counterfeiting of Windows operating systems and other software products. It has to otherwise it will be shut out of global markets.


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Bolaji Ojo   5/29/2012 7:03:43 AM

Nemos, In the commercial space, contracts are enforced somewhat differently. It is assumed that a supplier should take all necessary steps to ensure fake parts do not enter a customer's supply chain. Failure to ensure this results in a loss of the business.

As for the US government, the dynamics are quite different. First, the military market is huge. The US government spends hundreds of billions on military procurement each year and even a tiny amount of this can be a boon to a supplier. Second, only the US government can come up with this kind of mandate that forces suppliers to certify their supplies are not fake. The government is also able to specify the penalties for failure to do this. No other commercial customer has the clout and the enforcement powers to implement such policies.

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Re: Counterfeiters are not winning
Anna young   5/28/2012 6:21:58 PM
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@Hospice_Houngbo, you're absolutely correct. The battle against counterfeiters is not over yet. However, as you mentioned, efforts thus far is indeed promising and worthy of praise.

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Re: Counterfeiters are not winning
Hospice_Houngbo   5/28/2012 5:57:36 PM
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@Anna young,

The effort is indeed praiseworthy and promissing, we will see what the result will be in a near feature. But no "triumphalism" for now.

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