Is Apple Becoming Too Human?

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elctrnx_lyf   7/26/2012 10:51:11 PM
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I believe apple will continue to dominate the smart phone market if they are ready to experiment with more varieties, may be in terms of firm factor or may be in terms of complete design itself. The strength of apple is the quality of their sw, hw n overall functionality. Even though Samsung is selling more smart phones they have loads of software issues.

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syedzunair   7/27/2012 6:33:20 AM
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elctrnx_lyf, 

What you say might happen when the iPhone 5 comes out in the market. Although the overall quality of the phone is great I think the final buying decision is made on the basis of the OS. Samsung now sells more smartphones than Apple and most of these smartphones are on the Android platform. The success of Android has lead to an increase in sales for Samsung and other manufacturers. So, I think if Apple comes up with some innovative ideas in their iOS they will be able to regain any customers that shifted to the Android. 

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Himanshugupta   7/27/2012 11:05:25 AM
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as we all know, Apple's product success is dependent on the dedicated fan base that has increased within last few years due to some revolutionary product design and implementation. With fierce competition and market share at stake, competitors are bound to catch up as Samsung has done. So, Apple has to keep a step ahead in its product improvement and mostly has to diversity and come up with new products almost every 5-7 years. Not to say more, the expectations are bound to be more.

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pocharle   7/27/2012 12:09:24 PM
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I think they still hold the torch for the foreseeable future because although Samsung may have 'caught up', they will have to maintain the steam to get the same type of fan base that Apple already has. They are still essentially trying to catch up.

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Eldredge   7/27/2012 8:04:10 PM
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@pocharle - no question, Apple is still at the top of the dame, and will be for some time. Market expectations will fluctuate each quarter, but Apple will continue to be a force in the industry.

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pocharle   7/28/2012 11:47:55 AM
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They better! A little self-serving but I am getting into the app game soon and they are the current leader. iOS is my desired platform of choice.

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t.alex   7/27/2012 11:12:07 PM
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Samsung and the android Eco system will be able to fast copy the good things from Apple and gain more market share. I think this is quite similar to the OS market : Microsoft windows used to be quite dominant in the past but now there are alternatives such as Linux or mac OS which are equally easy to use.

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pocharle   7/28/2012 11:49:38 AM
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But it's all about niches. Emulation is the greatest form of flattery. As long as iOS is the predominant app platform, Android can copy but the barrier to entry for many Android developers will be a bit higher since there is so much differentiation among devices.

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TaimoorZ   7/28/2012 2:07:12 PM
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@pocharlie: Because of the recent restrictions by Apple on the apps, Android has beome more developer-friendly and a lot of developers are switching towards Android platform. Google anticipates that the number of Android developers will exceed those of Apple and other platforms within the next two years.

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pocharle   7/29/2012 9:51:40 AM
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But that might not necessarily be a good thing for developers. Apple puts restrcitions on what you can publish because they want quality for their users. Android pretty much lets you publish whatever you want.

So does that mean quantity in Andorid marketplace will be better than quality in the Apple marketplace?

Which would you choose if you wanted to use some apps?

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syedzunair   8/7/2012 7:54:24 PM
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pocharle: 

Restrictions might could go either way. I mean that by controlling app development one can also control what gets sold in the market and consequently control the quality. 

Which one is better is a difficult question. I think for the time being Apple seems to be doing better because of its high market share. But in due time if the Android catches up it will surely attract more developers. 

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pocharle   8/22/2012 1:40:10 AM
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I think also the key advantage that Apple has is lack of diversity. All apps run on all devices because they are the same. Developers will run into issues with Android because there is so much disparity in devices.

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syedzunair   8/29/2012 2:56:52 AM
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pocharle: 

Yes, I think it is one of the many advantages that Apple has. One app for all platforms is indeed a wonderful achievement. 

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pocharle   8/29/2012 12:18:44 PM
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That's what also keeps the fanbase happy to know apps, etc will work with all of their i products. Then there's the complementary iCloud to bring it all together.

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Susan Fourtané   8/29/2012 12:42:17 PM
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pocharle, 

As a matter of fact, that's true. Everything works smoothly, apps, iCloud, and sync. 

-Susan 

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pocharle   8/30/2012 1:03:27 AM
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Yupp. I recently jumped on the bandwagon. No complaints so far.

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Susan Fourtané   8/30/2012 3:31:54 AM
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Great! Congratulations! :) You will have no complains at all. Since I jumped in I have been very happy, as I have never been before with any other of my devices. 

-Susan

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syedzunair   8/30/2012 12:56:35 PM
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Susan: 

I am an iPhone user since the past few years. And I have also tried the Android. It is safe to say Apple enjoys a greater fan following than Android. As far as my observation goes. Personally, I am also content with what they have to offer especially the apps. 

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Susan Fourtané   9/1/2012 8:19:00 AM
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Syed, yes, I agree. And also love the apps. 

-Susan

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pocharle   8/30/2012 8:34:42 PM
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Are you saying that no Windows/PC-based device has made you as happy?

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syedzunair   8/31/2012 1:14:18 AM
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I guess I am comfortable in using the iPad, iPod and the iPhone. I haven't tried the Google Nexus tablet so I am not in a position to comment on it. But having used an iPhone and another Android phone I think I prefer the iPhone. One of the reasons could be that I was hooked onto it a few years ago and never bothered to change. 

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pocharle   8/31/2012 9:10:18 PM
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I fought it for a while too being a PC but their design and interface is so much better than anything else you'll use. The tons of $$$ they put into research & design pays off.

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Susan Fourtané   9/1/2012 2:34:04 AM
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pocharle, 

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Not even a very expensive Sony Vaio. I gave up after my last HP. 

-Susan 

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pocharle   9/19/2012 11:20:50 AM
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A bunch of my friends go through the same process. More recently.

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Susan Fourtané   9/19/2012 11:26:31 AM
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Hi, pocharle 

Yes, I believe it's a quite common process. The interesting thing is that -unlike trying others-, when you try a Mac there is no coming back. 

-Susan 

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pocharle   9/22/2012 10:20:29 AM
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Very true. I have slowly been getting there. I now have a computer and an iPod. As my Windows phone continnues to p*ss me off, I might actually consider getting an iPhone!

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Susan Fourtané   9/22/2012 12:00:02 PM
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Yes, it doesn't matter how long it takes you to get there, once there, you stay forever. That is exactly what happened to me with the laptops, until one day I exploded, and got my Mac, which I adore. The ROI is all worth it. 

-Susan 

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pocharle   9/25/2012 10:44:21 PM
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How did you calculate that?

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Susan Fourtané   9/26/2012 2:04:42 AM
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An always well functioning laptop that never presents a problem, and is always fast, never crashes, never freezes, etc let me accomplish more in less time, and is a pleasure to use is always worth its value. I haven't regret for a minute the change. It has been a good investment. 

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Rich Krajewski   9/26/2012 5:16:43 AM
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I sold Apples for awhile. You're right, people love them. The Windows machines were returned more often than the Apples.

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Susan Fourtané   9/27/2012 2:18:32 AM
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Rich,

As far as know, people only have problems with an Apple computer when they can't adapt to it after being PC users. Other than that, Apple users are happy users. :) 

Most likely that was the only reason why you got Apples back. 

-Susan

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Rich Krajewski   9/27/2012 2:45:06 AM
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"Other than that, Apple users are happy users. :)"

They seem to be, but I like playing with Linux when I have time, which won't be for a long time, it seems.

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Susan Fourtané   9/27/2012 3:04:25 AM
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Rich, 

If you like playing with Linux, maybe you would like to check out this festival about open knowledge

-Susan

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Rich Krajewski   9/27/2012 2:20:52 PM
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Who knows? I may wind up attending in person next year.

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Susan Fourtané   9/27/2012 3:12:14 PM
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Rich, 

If you check the program, some of the discussions are still open. There is plenty of activity on the Website.

-Susan  

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pocharle   9/27/2012 12:19:06 AM
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Which model do you have? I have heard of some problems with older models and Mountain Lion...

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Susan Fourtané   9/27/2012 2:22:15 AM
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pocharle,

MacBook Pro, and Lion. I haven't upgraded to Mountain Lion yet because I want to get rid of some stuff before, then cloud backup, and then upgrade. 

What kind of problems?

-Susan 

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pocharle   9/28/2012 2:29:35 PM
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Mainly compatibility issues with some programs. In addition, the security was beefed up so certain things do not just "Run" they way they used to. Nothing serious. Just little things here & there that I've heard complaints about (but isn't that always the case with Apple users...)

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Susan Fourtané   10/1/2012 10:39:38 AM
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pocharle, 

I don't think it's common to hear any complaints. It sounds strange. I haven't had any issues with anything. What compatibility issues with what programs, for example?

I think everything runs super smothly on a Mac. As I said, not even one day I have had any problem with my Mac. Never. I could never say something like that with any of my PCs. 

-Susan

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pocharle   10/20/2012 11:35:24 AM
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I think it's typically with the new converts. They are engrained in the PC frame of use and try things that may not be accessible on Macs.

It's a user training thing more than anything else.

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Susan Fourtané   10/22/2012 4:28:09 AM
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Yes, sometimes that's the case. However, it also depends how fast you really want to adapt. 

-Susan

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pocharle   10/28/2012 9:13:06 AM
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Most of the time, the issues with PCs make people have that change in mindset rather quickly!

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_hm   9/27/2012 4:38:06 AM
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@Susan: Thanks for adoring Apple / Mac. I am also considering getting Mac as my laptop crashed in infant phase of life. What Mac model do you suggest for modest user?

 

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Susan Fourtané   9/27/2012 3:07:19 PM
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_hm, 

Sorry to hear that. How long exactly did it live? I know exactly how it feels when your computer crashes. It's especially bad if it's your work tool. If you want a laptop you could compare the specs of the McBook Pro and the MacAir; it depends on what you need. :) A Mac will not crash, and they are super fast. 

-Susan 

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_hm   9/27/2012 8:38:59 PM
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Susan,

It is just little over one year. I am very dissapointed loosing time and data. This time I maty like to get MacBook Pro. I need to study them for day or two.

 

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Susan Fourtané   9/28/2012 1:30:33 AM
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_hm, 

It sounds like one of my laptops, a Sony Vaio (supposed to be one of the best PCs in the market, just another piece of rubbish). I had problems with it almost since I bought it -it went to tech service twice, one of the times it was for the HD that had crashed-, then the motherboard crashed, and it was the end of it.

I have a MacBook Pro; I have been happy with it since day one until today, now a little over a year. It never had an issue of any kind. It's a pleasure to work with it. It's the most reliable machine I have ever had. It's super fast and silent, and I love it. All the apps for Mac make it even better. All the money I spent (wasted) on PCs went to the trash can, not one PC I had was as good as my Mac. None of them. This Mac is worth every penny I paid.  

Let me know if I can help you with anything you would like to ask, and I could answer for you. 

-Susan 

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_hm   9/28/2012 7:25:41 PM
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Susan: Thanks for your encouragement. This will be my first Apple product!

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Susan Fourtané   10/1/2012 10:52:57 AM
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Yay, _hm, how exciting! Don't forget to let me know when you get your lovely Mac. I am sure you will be very happy with it. It's a super loyal device. 

-Susan

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syedzunair   8/30/2012 12:52:01 PM
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pocharle:

Rightly said, it is what keeps the Apple lovers going. iCloud is a nice additional feature to keep everything in one place. 

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pocharle   8/30/2012 8:36:35 PM
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I also stumbled into the 'Restore purchases' option. It is amazing. I cannot tell you how many people I know purchase the same apps multiple times on different devices because they didn't it was available.

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syedzunair   8/31/2012 1:18:28 AM
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Thanks for letting us know. I would it give it a try when I upgrade the next time :)

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pocharle   8/31/2012 9:10:47 PM
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What iOS version are you running now?

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t.alex   8/1/2012 2:04:05 PM
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In fact it is very straightforward to kickstart android app development. The tools are free and can be run on any platform. For Apple, to develop apps at least you must have a mac computer :)

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syedzunair   7/28/2012 8:17:13 AM
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pocharle, I think so too. Apple has been very successful in the past and with their current consumer base they will most likey continue to dominate the smartphone market. 

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Nemos   7/28/2012 10:57:54 AM
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"Continue to dominate the Smartphone market."

Never take anything for granted, especially the History of the Market has shown us that the electronic supply chain is a very unstable environment. 

 

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TaimoorZ   7/27/2012 10:08:42 AM
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"The strength of apple is the quality of their sw, hw n overall functionality."

@elctrnx_lyf: I think one big advantage that Apple has is that they own both the hardware and software and they have full control over it. In the case of hardware vendors like Samsung, they are dependent on OS like Android and they have little control over the software. This advantage is essential to Apple in bringing about growth.





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Nemos   7/28/2012 10:53:01 AM
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"Apple disappointed us by appearing to be all too "human."

At first when I read it I thought with the word "too human " that you mean the move (to press Foxcom to improve its working conditions) that Apple did . And I was wondering why that is wrong but after a while I realize your points and totally agree with your point of view.

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_hm   7/28/2012 10:23:14 PM
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It is not only share price and market share. Apple wows its customer with most innovative products and its fans loves and trust it for that. It is important that Apple just do that. Share price and market share is secondary and follows if you do good work. Wish wish to get more trendy products from Apple.

 

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Barbara Jorgensen   7/30/2012 2:38:32 PM
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Apple's momentum would have broken at some point, so this is probably a good thing in the long run. A liitle humility never hurts...

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Are Humans Becoming Too Apple?
Rich Krajewski   8/31/2012 9:21:10 PM
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As I mentioned before, if Monsanto incorporates Apple code into their GMO corn, and people eat it, that might explain why so many people feel as if they cannot live without Apple. It is because they are becoming Apple.



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