Apple-Samsung: Can't We All Just Get Along?

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Nemos
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Nemos   8/14/2012 6:26:17 PM
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I could not agree more with that you wrote.

"While rivals must be thrilled their executives have been spending more time in a courtroom than in design rooms. Who's really winning here?"

Nobody is winning and not only that but they are losing so much time with this case. The best way to prove to the customers that your competitor is a copywriter of your products is to design a new one but instead of this Apple spends its time inside the courtrooms.

Bolaji Ojo
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Bolaji Ojo   8/15/2012 7:14:28 AM

Nemos, By the way companies find out they've been fighting the wrong wars the competition would have moved into their turf. It's never apparent immediately, though, because in Apple's case it is still King of the Hill. But so were Motorola Mobility and Nokia.

If you look at the mouth watering profits Apple and Samsung are making, it becomes clear also that competitors would like a piece of the action. To capture some of it, though, they would have to be more innovative than these companies. And they are spending time in the cellars conjuring up some sweet stuff we haven't yet seen.

It's not popular to talk about the possibility a company such as Apple may trip up in the future. When executives spend as much time in courtrooms as the executives of these two companies have so far done, something suffers and rivals take note.

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Cryptoman   8/19/2012 10:37:09 AM

I also think that nobody except the attorneys are winning here. I think the two giants should be able to find a middle way before they damage each other's public image. In such disputes nobody is 100% right and therefore both Apple and Samsung may lose blood.

I also feel that competition is very good for all competitors in the game as it pushes them forward. If Samsung and Apple lose each other in the competition, it will definitely have an adverse effect on both. Such huge companies should be a bit tolerable when it comes to lawsuits. At the end of the day, they both 'inspire' each other in many products and innovations they create.

 

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Bolaji Ojo   8/20/2012 5:16:07 AM
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Cryptoman, You may understand why Apple is angry and determined to see the case through. The company thought it had the smartphone market all sewn up -- just as it had a major share of the digital music player market initially with the iPod and today the tablet PC market with the iPad. Then Samsung came along and rose to the No. 1 position in smartphones. Apple's contention is that Samsung achieved this only because it copied the iPhone.

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Eldredge   8/15/2012 7:09:02 AM
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There is no doubt that the attorneys will be winners here, but after that, it's very difficult to tell. It will come down to the decision and how it divides up the marketplace for the two companies.

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Bolaji Ojo   8/15/2012 7:15:26 AM
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Eldredge, That assumes the marketplace will be divided up between the two companies. How about the rivals trying to capture some of the business? They are probably trying their best to stay out of the fray.

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Winners,losers & nothing else
mfbertozzi   8/15/2012 9:25:16 AM
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While reading this good article and posts, a very basic thought rised to me: despite there is still a long way to go and run in the field of innovation, we are only assisting to apple-samsung fight and rivals out of the fray. That means "winners, losers & nothing else". I aim this status will change soon.

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Eldredge   8/15/2012 10:38:11 AM
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@Bolaji - Right - there are more companies in this space, and I am sure they are intently following the outcome of this case to determine how it will impact the portion of the market that they have, or want to pursue.

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Douglas Alexander   8/16/2012 11:39:02 AM
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@Eldredge, Agree! This will be a precedent setting case. I can see many court battles referring to the outcome of this battle in order to resolve their cases inexpensively and quickly. The money these two giants are spending, will overlap to the benefit of the smaller skirmishes that are bound to come.

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Bolaji Ojo   8/20/2012 5:09:26 AM
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Douglas, You are too much of an optimist. Previous Herculean legal battles have been fought over patents and other issues by companies determined to erase a competitor's edge or a perceived slight. Egos sometimes get in the way and in the case of Apple and Samsung, there are supersized egos swinging in the wind. This is why this case has gone this far.

The judge saw this and again asked the CEOs of the two companies to meet and try to resolve the problem because she thought there were dangers for both sides if the case was sent to the jury. The CEOs will meet but they still won't resolve the problem. Apple is determined to see this sent to a jury with the aim of forcing Samsung on its knees because Jobs wanted this.

Samsung won't agree to the terms Apple would like to avoid further court action. Whatever decision taken by the jury (I think it will favor Apple initially) will be appealed and whatever outsized payments Samsung is asked to pay will be reduced sharply by the court of appeal. This will all take years by which time the market would have changed and the winner of the current court action will find itself holding ashes instead of gold dusts.

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Jacob   8/16/2012 12:30:34 AM
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Bolaji, I think these court and related things are concerned with the corporate world. Most of these Smartphone users are not concerned with such issues. They are bothered about pricings, functionalities, features, specifications etc. for corporate world; these cases are also a part of publicity for their products. At the end who will be the winner:  Apple or Samsung or the Attorney.

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Bolaji Ojo   8/20/2012 5:20:39 AM
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Jacob, The attorneys will get their bite size payments and trundle off to enjoy this while Apple and Samsung will return to the market to continue the competition. Even if Apple desires this, a ruling in its favor will neither drive Samsung out of the smartphone market nor clip its wings. It is growing faster than Apple in the market and will remain No. 1.

As you correctly noted, many customers are not really paying any attention to the court dispute and won't decide whose phone they buy on the basis of a jury's finding. They may be impacted by the ruling, though. For example, if the jury decides a particular infringing product should be banned. However, the impacted company will quickly introduce non-infringing products. That's already happening in the tablet PC market where Samsung is introducing updates to its products in response to recent court rulings in Europe.

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Jacob   8/21/2012 6:02:35 AM
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Thanks Bolaji, it seems more or less like a public debate only going to benefit both attorneys. Moreover  I think now a day's it's like an advertisement for both the products.

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t.alex   8/15/2012 12:07:22 PM
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To be frank I hope Apple to win be case. Compensation aside, this will show that true innovation deserves protection of the law. I have laid my hand on some Samsung smartphones and were mistake them as iPhone at the beginning, until I notice the icons in details. Better smash Samsung this time.

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Cat fight Samsung vs Apple
Douglas Alexander   8/15/2012 3:22:18 PM
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Bolaji, I own a Samsung Galaxy II phone and I am on my second iPAD, but I also had an iPhone 3 and 4. Now, if I compare the software and firmware with the backroom integration, I would rather have an iPhone than my current Galaxy. I agree with you that this dispute seems frivolus but it probably is just in the retained lawyers' hands and Apple and Samsung execs are both looking the other way. It is probably just business as usual now and Apple and Samsung are just collecting on their retainers.

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Bolaji Ojo   8/15/2012 3:29:45 PM
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Douglas, If it were only simply in the lawyers' hands, leaving executives free to focus on the business. The reality is far different. The impetus for the litigation came from the corner office (in Apple's case Steve Jobs allegedly vowed to spend all the money Apple had to break the rivals) and I am sure Samsung executives would like to take the rival down a notch.

Executives at both companies have held direct and court-ordered face-to-face talks, they've had to give evidence in court and many other managers, engineers, designers and other technical experts have been hauled to California as witnesses. These distractions will eventually take its toll. Would it have been worth it?

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Douglas Alexander   8/15/2012 7:15:14 PM
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A regular melodrama. Maybe they will make a movie out of this...or a documentary...Applegate. Obviously I have not been following this battle but it sure seems important to some pretty powerful people. Twiddle Dee said to Twittle Dum, "Let's have a battle." I think they ended up fighting over a rattle. 

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Wale Bakare   8/16/2012 11:30:20 AM
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 Until those top executives do otherwise smart lawyers' voodoo would rule for some times.

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Wale Bakare   8/16/2012 11:22:34 AM
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Am afraid this would continue as long as more technologies/innovations are evolving. Can we do without them?

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Really?!
Barbara Jorgensen   8/20/2012 10:03:47 AM
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I started a rant about some of the evidence before going on vacation and I thought I might be too hard on the companies so I filed it away for the future. But such revelations as "Apple had engineers sitting around brainstorming" and "Apple made a bunch of prototypes" before deciding on the current design...Needless to say I am shocked--SHOCKED--that such secrets are shamelessly being stolen right under our noses. Oh, the humanity! Someday, this saga will join the ranks of hanging chad (not 'chads'--there is no s on the end) and other landmark legal battles. Hmmm...wasn't the theory of evolution once debated in the courtroom? Whatever happened to those days?!???!



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