Electronics & the Unending Economic Crisis

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prabhakar_deosthali
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Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
prabhakar_deosthali   10/26/2012 11:13:08 AM
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In my opinion, we have too much innovation happening too fast. The speed of innovation should match the speed of economy otherwise the electronic industry would face too much of a non moving products and unnecessary obsolete products leading to too much of the e-waste.

This has to be a concerted effort by all the biggies together so that no one feels left behind and the rat race is slowed down at least till the global economy recovers.

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
tech4people   10/27/2012 6:57:55 AM
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Prabhakar,

Innovation Happening too fast??? You gotta be kidding me!!!

How are you gonna put a stop on Innovation???

We just seem to be going faster and faster and faster and faster....

Its entirely your decision(as a Consumer or a Company);either you Stick on for the ride or Get off...

Its like a Wild Bull.

Fun to ride as long as you can Hold on.

Then get off!!!

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
Adeniji Kayode   10/27/2012 9:22:54 AM
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You know even if the economy choose to lack behind, innovation may tend to leave it behind I think innovation determines the economy sometimes

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
Adeniji Kayode   10/27/2012 9:26:22 AM
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It was innovation that brought the recession, it is still the same innivetion that will bail us out of it

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
tech4people   10/28/2012 6:12:43 AM
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Adenji,

You are way too optimistic(Regarding Innovation's Potential).

I have a honest belief 90% of all Innovation achieved today has very little(if any) benefit to mankind today.

People have waay too much Time on Hand today;That's why they spend it tinkering with stuff which is best left alone!!!

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
anandvy   10/31/2012 11:26:46 PM
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I have a honest belief 90% of all Innovation achieved today has very little(if any) benefit to mankind today.

@tech4people, I dont think you can term innovation as useless. We can always use these innovations in new places in new ways, we just need to be receptive for new ideas.

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
tech4people   11/1/2012 10:07:41 AM
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Anand,

Its tough to say that every Innovation that has been achieved by Man has either been Useful or Useless.

But if you sit down and look at the list of patents which Companies(&Individuals) go to great lengths to set up;You realize not everyone of them is really-really useful.

At no point have I disputed the need for New ideas;but I feel the Biggest reason for the Current Financial Crisis which we are suffering from Globally is this so-called Innovation.

Sometimes simplicity and sticking to the old way of doing things works out much better(and more sustainable) in the Long-term.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
Shelly   10/29/2012 4:43:19 AM
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I don't agree with you. If without innovation, then there will be more and more investment in the same industry and no company being wiped out, and the whole economy will face constant maliganant competition, will the economic situation be worse?

Besides, innovation also creat new job opportunity and energy-saving products.

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
anandvy   10/31/2012 11:57:53 PM
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Besides, innovation also creat new job opportunity and energy-saving products.

@Shelly, I totally agree with you but what if the innovation is distruptive technology ? It can sometimes destroy existing jobs aswell.

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
Adeniji Kayode   10/27/2012 9:14:28 AM
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You are right on that but to attain balance between innovation and the economy is a hard tihing because sometimes innovation is even the major influence on the economy

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Re: Along with the recession innovation needs a slow down
Adeniji Kayode   10/27/2012 9:14:30 AM
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You are right on that but to attain balance between innovation and the economy is a hard tihing because sometimes innovation is even the major influence on the economy

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no cash man
FLYINGSCOT   10/26/2012 12:07:35 PM
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Disposable income for most folks these days is alarmingly low.  Loans are difficult to get.  Fear pervades the markets.  It is only to be expected that companies will not be doing too well.  The question is how pessimistic the markets are vs reality as that is what sets expectations.

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Re: no cash man
tech4people   10/27/2012 6:53:31 AM
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FlyingScot,

Yeah Man.

I really know what you mean by your Statement here- "No Cash Man!!!"

I just wanted to change your Statement slightly-

"The question is how Optimistic the markets are vs reality as that is what sets expectations."

To get an idea of what Works and what Does'nt(& what is the realistic point of view for the markets) of how Market Perspective differs from Reality check this out.

http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc120924.html

John Hussman writes an excellent Newsletter every Fortnight.

Regards

Ashish.


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Employees need to get Leaner too!
tech4people   10/27/2012 6:29:50 AM
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Bolaji,

Your points regaridng employees here are all well taken and well regarded.

Just feel Employees need to get Leaner and more Agile too today.

No Employee can and should be totally dependent on one Single Source of Income.

Diversify,Diverisfy and Diversify!!!

Employees need to think smarter,Get more Agile and be prepared to think of their feet today!!!

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
Bolaji Ojo   10/27/2012 12:55:04 PM
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Ashish, Andy Grove, the former chairman and CEO of Intel, said in a book:

"The sad news is, nobody owes you a career. Your career is literally your business. You own it as a sole proprietor. You have one employee: yourself. You need to accept ownership of your career, your skills and the timing of your moves."

I agree.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
tech4people   10/28/2012 6:15:44 AM
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Bolaji,

I could'nt agree more!!!

Andy Grove is absolutely right and on the Ball here!Far too many CEOs talk all kinds of wishy-washy nonsense(in public) which has no practical relevance today.

But this is stuff which anyone and everyone can and should use.

Regards

Ashish.

 

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
chipmonk   10/28/2012 4:55:35 PM
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Ashish :

   The main reason the world economy is going through a prolonged rough patch is because since the late 1980s Wall St profiteers have quite heedlessly facilitated the inducton of vast & cheap Chinese labor into the world economy.

   The first decade of Globalizatiion produced cheap products at Wal Mart Made in China but the next CENTURY would be tough for the developed world    

    Anyone with some familiarity with College Math / Control Theory could have predicted the scenario now unfolding.

  Unless something is done to put the leash back on China and their patrons in Wall St.,  get ready to be eaten alive by the 300 million poor workers in China who too want to live like the Taiwanese or Singaporeans. This will come at the expense of not just the West, but also that of the other resource poor BRIC nation i,e. India.

   You too will soon get a personal lesson in the limits of "Free Market".

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
Shelly   10/29/2012 4:33:14 AM
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But most Chinese do the work despised by the developed countries' people, scuh as the US, German; besides, they also expand consumer market. I think the reason resulting in the economic crisis is the mess production and trade. In fact, next year is still a hopeful year, after all, Chinese market is gradully recover, and the US economic growth rise to 2% from 1.5% in the second quarter. 2012 will complete political change.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
TaimoorZ   10/29/2012 4:42:44 AM
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@Bolaji: Isn't the third quarter normally the slowest each year? How does this year's third quarter compare to previous years. I suppose this is directly linked with conusmers expectations: they want to save the money to make their purchases towards the end of the year on Thanksgiving or Christmas where the prices will be significantly lower.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
Hospice_Houngbo   10/29/2012 10:32:59 AM
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@TaimoorZ,

"they want to save the money to make their purchases towards the end of the year "

Does that suppose that the fourth-quarter revenues will the better than the third-quarter of the year. End of the year purchases do impact positively the economy, but chances are that many companies will have to revise down their revenues forecast.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
TaimoorZ   10/30/2012 2:19:17 AM
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"End of the year purchases do impact positively the economy, but chances are that many companies will have to revise down their revenues forecast."

@Hospice: Normally companies make their forecasts for each quarter based on the sales in the same quarter over the previous several years. Yes, the third-quarter slum should have some impact on fourth-quarter estimates, but largely the fourth-quarter predictions rely on the past several years' behavior.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
hash.era   10/31/2012 4:42:49 AM
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Is it ? Normally its the season where the prices go up.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
TaimoorZ   10/31/2012 9:48:22 AM
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"Is it ? Normally its the season where the prices go up."

@hash.era: Normally companies want to clear their stock for next year so there's massive sale on Thanksgiving and Christmas each year. A lot of people wait for this time to make their purchases.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
anandvy   10/31/2012 10:35:24 PM
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Normally companies want to clear their stock for next year so there's massive sale on Thanksgiving and Christmas each year.

@Taimoorz, has the sale season started. Are you seeing good discount this time around or companies are conservative about rebates because sales are already down ?


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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
hash.era   1/30/2013 10:39:16 AM
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Taimoor: Ohh I see. Here its the opposite. They try to grab what ever they can since they know that during this time people are looking to buy things at any cost.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
Anna young   10/29/2012 9:48:46 PM
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"The sad news is, nobody owes you a career. Your career is literally your business. You own it as a sole proprietor. You have one employee: yourself. You need to accept ownership of your career, your skills and the timing of your moves."

Good qutotations Bolaji. This is what changing times dictates. Challenging individuals to take ownership of their skills and the timing of moves. This is crucial in the ever changing employment market. 

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
anandvy   10/31/2012 10:47:09 PM
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Challenging individuals to take ownership of their skills and the timing of moves. This is crucial in the ever changing employment market.

@Anna, I totally agree with you. This changing employment is very challenging. Only way to tackle this is continuously update the skill-set and keep in sync with current technology. If companies dont care about employees skill-set then employees themselves should plan to update their skill-set.

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Re: Employees need to get Leaner too!
Anna young   11/4/2012 9:21:23 AM
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Anandvy that is exactly my point, employment market conditions and change reminds me of Karl Marx's conflict theory. I perceive this as a time for individuals to take stock of his or her individual 'conflict management skills' and possibly bring it in line with the employment market condition. I believe this the only way to keep abreast of the situation.

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Perhaps it is US Election
_hm   10/27/2012 8:44:25 AM
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Perhaps it may be upcoming US election. Obama or Romney, after election things will move quicker and job market will improve considerably. Most organizations are very cash rich, but they are holding on to it.

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prabhakar_deosthali   10/29/2012 1:40:38 AM
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With all  the comments below, I still is of opinion that too much innovation in consumer electronics is wasting a lot of natural resources, money and people's time in unproductive areas.

What the world needs today's is energy and water which is becoming more and more scarce . We need the world focus on increasing power generation, alternate energy sources, water harvesting and such things.

 

These gizmos where billions of dollars are being spent by the consumers just because every six months a new generation product is forced into the market declaring the previous product as obsolete although technically it could last for another decade may be.

Isn't it a madness? isn't it an unnecessary innovation?

 

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TaimoorZ   10/29/2012 4:38:42 AM
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"With all the comments below, I still is of opinion that too much innovation in consumer electronics is wasting a lot of natural resources, money and people's time in unproductive areas."

@Prabhakar: I'm not sure if I'd agree with this. Innovation leads to better products at lower prices and this makes more and more people be able to afford these products. In a way, that increases the demand for the products. In the context of low demand, I don't see how innovation is the culprit here.

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re: Electronics & the Unending Economic Crisis
anandvy   10/31/2012 11:19:12 PM
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I still is of opinion that too much innovation in consumer electronics is wasting a lot of natural resources, money and people's time in unproductive areas.

@prabhakar_deosthali, no doubt we need more research in power generation, alternate energy sources, water harvesting etc but that doesnt mean we should stop the innovation in consumer electronics. Let's not forget this sector creates lot jobs for the employees and drive the semiconductor industry.

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Re: Managing the economic doldrum
Anna young   10/29/2012 8:56:42 PM
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 Bolaji good analysis on the ongoing economic situation and the impact it's created on the electronic manufacturing industry based on the companies third and Fourth quarter report outlooks. I agree, events outside the electronics manfacturing industry is bound to impact the industry like many other busnesses have been too. It's not surprising to note that electronics manufacturing industry are taking steps to adjust to changing times and demand . You're absolutely right, even the major players in the industry  i.e Apple too now realises its not entirely immune. I think these steps are essential.

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Re : Electronics & the Unending Economic Crisis
anandvy   10/31/2012 10:32:25 PM
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electronics manufacturers will find it harder to predict demand in the coming quarters and possibly the coming years.

@Bolaji, I totally agree with your opinion. Unfortunately the uncertianity is here to stay and I think not only the companies but the employees should also prepare themselves to face this uncertainity.

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Re: Re : Electronics & the Unending Economic Crisis
Bolaji Ojo   10/31/2012 11:08:41 PM
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Managing the risks in the demand-supply chain is part of the challenges facing manufacturers. Uncertainty is now built into the system but winning companies still find a way to mitigate this risk and use it to their advantage. If we agree the global system is now inherently unpredictable, the next set of skills management need is knowing how to take advantage of even this uncertainty.



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