Tracking Calif. Consumer Products Proposal

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William K.
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Tracking the California consumer products law
William K.   12/7/2011 11:26:44 PM
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There is a good response, pointing out that some suppliers deliberately falsify data, as Chinese suppliers have done repeatedly. Possibly others have been a bit more careful, and not been caught.

Clearly it is the obligation of all companies to tell the truth. But that is not where the California proposal is heading. It is a determined effort to escape responsibility, forcing suppliers to not only be safe, but to demand that they exclusively be responsible for safety. The individual using an item must also be responsible, and this is what I see this proposal working to eliminate. "But you said it was safe" will be the lead-off to all kinds of lawsuits about all kinds of products.

In my present occupation I need to make many judgements daily about conditions of my personal safety. If I had to depend on others for making these decisions I could not possibly do what I need to do. I accept that on most occasions I alone am responsible for my personal safety. When I use a solvent that is not available in California, I use it safely, but in California I would not even have that option. THat is what I am talking about. 

In a fairly short time, the state of California will decide that they alone are qualified to decide what is safe for folks to use. That is the very logical extension of this concept. If those deciding were of infinite wisdom, that might be OK, but that state is well known to have government decisions made based on emotions, not any facts at all. You know that as well as I know it. You may not like to hear that, but it is a fact.

Michael Kirschner
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Michael Kirschner   12/7/2011 7:01:43 PM
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Garyk, yes absolutely. All you have to do is look back at the lead in toys disasters of 2007. I'm sure the manufacturers specified "no lead" in the specs for the products they had built there, but did they qualify their supply chains to ensure their suppliers' abilities to meet and maintain those requirements? Did they audit the products and facilities? No! That government regulations were required to fix this (CPSIA) is ridiculous. These companies failed to implement the most basic supply chain management and quality assurance concepts.

Whatever you specify, you need to ensure your supply chain is capable of implementing and/or providing. That's a basic tenet of supply chain design and management.

That's somewhat of a different problem than the basic design specification problem the California SCP regulation is attempting to address, though. I hope it doesn't come to needing more regulation to control "series production", as the RoHS recast calls it. It's up to manufacturers to make sure that more regulation isn't required by ensuring their supply chain is under control, and that their products are designed to meet - and hopefully exceed - environmental regulatory requirements.

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Michael Kirschner   12/7/2011 1:13:44 PM
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Well William, the problem is not that consumers are "stupid". How, for instance, do parents know what their infant's pacifier is made of? How do they know if it's safe in terms of human health (and the environment)? Who is making sure it's safe? It's certainly not the US EPA or CPSC or even the manufacturer in most cases. The fact is, nobody is making sure it's safe in terms of environmental or human health safety. There are no metrics and no way to know for sure. While we have tools like the UL or equivalent marks for classic safety (thermal, mechanical, electrical), there's no UL listing for environmental or human health safety (they and others are, by the way, working on something like that but it's got a long way to go).

If consumers - and manufacturers - had access to the information necessary to make informed decisions about the chemicals they use then perhaps a law like this wouldn't be necessary. But we don't. The chemical industry never voluntarily provided it - or even researched it in many cases - unless forced to by the EPA. TSCA doesn't work and the chemical industry is loathe to let on just how toxic many mainstream chemicals are; (don't forget that they fought REACH tooth and nail, with help from the Bush Administration...and lost). So a regulatory solution is, unfortunately, necessary. California (like many states) has pollution problems that can be prevented by considering environmental performance during product design. This is a more enlightened approach to solving the problem than simple bans are. Why is that a bad idea?

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Tracking Calif. Consumer Products
garyk   12/7/2011 12:58:27 PM
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I think the BIG question is how do we control the products coming out of CHINA?

If you don't believe it, check the labels, clothes, toys, tools, kitchen aids, after market car parts, calenders, hand bags, etc.

Who ever imports should be responsible!!!!! Example: If Mattel Toys imports toys from CHINA they are responsiable for health and quality and should be fined if there is a problem with health issues.

William K.
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California consumer products proposal
William K.   12/6/2011 6:48:14 PM
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This is, or soon will be, a huge area of freedom removed from our citizens. The basis of the proposition is that "consumers", individuals who purchase things, are to stupid to have any idea what is good for them. That is exactly what the function reduces to. Consider that it would logically prohibit things like oil based paint, effective rust remover, and most inexpensive disinfetants. After all, these items do contain some chemicals that can be harmful.

Taken to it's logical outcome, the first products that should be banned in California are all alchoholic beverages, since it is well known that ethyl alchohol is a toxic chemical. Such a ban would serve to remind the rest of the country that, upon occasion, "the masses" ought to be allowed to make their own decisions. 

When we decide to have some "Big Brother" agency composed of people far smarter than us, we will surrender a whole lot of freedom that has not been cheaply won. Please consider that.

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Michael Kirschner   12/5/2011 5:42:46 PM
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Bolaji, this was initiated in large part because the federal government's regulation of chemicals (TSCA) is ineffective, i.e. it does not prevent chemical-related environmental pollution and human health problems. The chemical industry in general needs laws that prevent it from putting harmful products on the market and they need government to tell them exactly what is, and is not, harmful.

This was put in place as an alternative to determining chemical policy every time a new bill was introduced in the California legislature, which has resulted in a complex and inconsistent approach at the state level (they say they get around 30 bills each year, each on a particular substance).

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for this; this will help product manufacturers get useful safety information from their chemical suppliers while helping to bring environmental performance closer to being a key property of products that needs to be designed in. It's a more elegant solution than simple bans and restrictions. Industry is involved via the Green Chemistry Alliance. If we have to have regulations to make industry do the right thing, then they need to be effective AND practical. This is heading in that direction and that's good.

Finally, don't forget that I'm reporting on a regulation in development; the legislation requiring its implementation passed 3 years ago: that this will come into effect is a done deal. So what industry can do - and is doing - now is to work as closely as they can with DTSC to ensure the law is, in Director Raphael's words, "practical, effective, and legally defensible".

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Bolaji Ojo   12/5/2011 4:27:29 PM
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Mike, Is the government getting involved because industry isn't acting or because it can't trust the private sector. You don't seem to object to the regulation but the manner in which it is being carried out and what's involved. How can the industry make it better and are you aware of any movement within the private sector to be more active in the process.

Michael Kirschner
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Re: Voice of consumer or voice of industry?
Michael Kirschner   12/5/2011 11:29:17 AM
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Not sure I understand your question, but this is "Voice of Government"!

The hope/expectation is that the consumer will benefit greatly from this, along with the rest of the Green Chemistry Initiative as it gets implemented in that we will die less often from chemical-related illnesses, etc. This is a consumer saftey regulation, nothing more.

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FLYINGSCOT   12/4/2011 3:36:09 PM
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Thanks for explaining all this.  I believe it is a step in the right direction and to be applauded.  I wonder how it will be policed and funded however.  I also look forward to other states following suit.

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Voice of consumer or voice of industry?
_hm   12/4/2011 3:14:17 PM
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Is this a voice of consumer or voice of industry? How much will average consumer will benifit from this as compare to earlier law?

 

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