GE Didn’t Pay 2010 Taxes but May Pay Medical Device Tax in 2013

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GAH65
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Re: The Reason They Didn't Pay Taxes...
GAH65   4/1/2011 7:37:34 PM
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I did some research and it is not that GE did not pay any taxes. They got a $3.2B refund on the taxes that they had paid during the year. I did a quick comaprison and if my net income after all household operating expenses is $10K and when I file my 1040 on April 15. A $2k refund would be proportional to this GE refund on $14.3B of net profit.

 

So if you don't get lost in the decimal point they are no different than middle class america.

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The Reason They Didn't Pay Taxes...
Rich Krajewski   3/31/2011 3:17:09 PM
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The reason they didn't pay taxes (or supposedly didn't) is because of the government.  That's right.  GE didn't decide they just didn't feel like paying income taxes for last year. Instead, the government gave them incentives, like tax breaks, to do things that the government wanted GE to do.  So, GE did those things.  And they got the promised breaks.

Doesn't YOUR company do that? Don't YOU take advantage of tax breaks?  I'll bet you do.  I'll bet your company does.

I wouldn't blame GE.  I would blame the goverment, or governments.

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Re: Re : GE Didn’t Pay 2010 Taxes but May Pay Medical Device Tax in 2013
GAH65   3/31/2011 1:00:48 PM
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1) Other than a blanket statement that GE did not pay any taxes in 2010, I do not see any reference or proof of this statement.

 

2) GE, as a tax entity, is a multi-industrial conglomerate and not strictly a medical device conmpany. Can anyone separate the tax liability between GE Corporate and GE Healthcare?

 

3) I am amazed at the naivite of generalization in this discussion. Healthcare IT initiatives is a small part of of the medical device industry and the vast portion of inovation for therapeutic devices has no dependence or benefit from this governmental "investment" which is completely contradictory to the biggest cost increaser of recent times HIPPA, which prevents medical information from being accessed even by treating healthcare providers without mountains of red tape.

4) Medical device is defined in government terms as anything from an adhesive bandage or cotton swab to a computerized remote surgical robot. A broad tax on all medical devices manufacturers/developers will stifle innovation which tends to be driven by small start-ups and emerging companies. It is not just an avenue to ensure those who benefit from one government program contribute to cover the costs through another. As you have already identified the the huge conglomerates with armies of lawyers and accounts will find ways around the tax and the smaller engines of innovation and progress will be taxed into oblivion leaving only the giants to control the market.

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SP   3/31/2011 8:13:52 AM
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Its amazing to see how everyone not only the big companies but also a common person takes care of their tax filing in US. I guess that may be one reasont hat government can deliver good infrastructure. Hope the same attitude comes in Asian regions also.

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maou_villaflores   3/31/2011 1:28:18 AM
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I totally agree with you. I hope they would review the possible cause not only in the US but also to the countries who rely with this company.

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Backorder   3/30/2011 11:31:05 AM
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Thank you for the very insightful blog. What I do not often understand is how companies always find a way to wiggle out of tax liabilities. If the coroporates have brains enough to find their ways out, why cant the legislators go back and devise flawless systems or at least plug the lopp holes quickly!

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The Source   3/30/2011 10:28:11 AM
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Dear Dave,

First, thanks for your thoughtful post.  I want to tell you this, we are Americans, and we all cherish this country’s future.  Part of our responsibility to this country is to make sure that our schools properly educate our children, the air is clean, the water drinkable and health care is efficient, affordable and accessible.  

One of the ways we do this is to pay the taxes we owe.  Your point that we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world is well taken, but then we have the largest economy in the world.  We also top the list of country's that has the highest military expenditure (but I digress). 

Now, I’m always concerned when I hear that our taxes are improperly spent, or the government wastes money on some program that benefits few if any, or companies that earn billions of dollars don’t pay a dime at tax time. 

Let me get back to the 2.3 percent medical device tax.  In this particular case the Obama administration’s investments to boost the use of technology in health care settings is commendable, and there is evidence that technology, such as electronic medical records, has improve the quality of care as well as helped hospitals raise their efficiency.  Who can argue with this?  Similarly, if companies benefit from these investments, who can argue with contributing by way of a 2.3 percent tax to these efforts? 

Many of the technology investments the government is making will help medical device companies increase sales of their products in the health care market.  Looking at it from this point of view, I can’t see how a medical device manufacturer would think that they shouldn’t contribute to health care reform, which has as its foundation the technological modernization of the country’s health care IT infrastructure.   

Let me take the opportunity to thank all of you who responded to this post.

Nicole

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Barbara Jorgensen   3/30/2011 8:30:25 AM
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I hadn't heard about this--very informative and very controversial. Great blog

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Dave Sasson   3/30/2011 8:12:48 AM
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The US has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, which causes companies like GE, who have armies of lawyers, accountants and tax professional, as well as have government connections, to find loopholes in the system that can provide them with legal offshore tax havens. Some may argue that a higher corporate tax has a negative effect on companies to actually pay taxes and that a lower tax rate would actually provide incentives for companies to leave their money in the US, which would get taxed, but at a lower rate. Something is better than nothing.

As for GE, over $14 billion in global profits, $5 billion coming from the US and $0 in taxes. On top of that GE will receive a $3.2 billion tax credit. All legal.

Nicole, I am not sure your “disgust” should be directed at GE or the policies that allow this or the current corporate tax structure that motivates companies to avoid paying the taxes. I bet GE shareholders are not disgusted.

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Re : GE Didn’t Pay 2010 Taxes but May Pay Medical Device Tax in 2013
tirlapur   3/30/2011 7:42:05 AM
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Increasing the Medical Device Tax is very sensitive issue since it direclty increases the  health care costs for the public. Recently similar medical tax was axed in India following lot of opposition from the general public.



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