WEEE! Unrealistic Goals?

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prabhakar_deosthali
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Can traceability help?
prabhakar_deosthali   5/12/2011 6:47:15 AM
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Can we have some kind of a traceability of ownership for e-products.  If we take the case of Automobiles, from the time a vehicle rolls out from the assembly line till it is declared as scrap its ownership is tracable and for anything from accident, use for criminal purpose, theft or illegal scrapping, it is the owner of that vehicle at that point in time who is held responsible. If similar traceability and responsibility is attached to all the e-products then there could be some check on how these products are disposed.  Any thoughts ?

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Re: Re : WEEE! Unrealistic Goals?
Hardcore   5/6/2011 6:29:26 AM
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It is like anything else in China, If someone can make an 10c recycling something in a dangerous fashion, then they will, its a bit like the news item last night in China, a sewer worker was recycling food and bread , then making it is to 'new' product so that he could sell it.

Unfortunately the mentality in China is geared towards making money rather than the legalities of things, the sad thing is that a significant number of people do not seem to balk at the issue of poisoning their own comrades, A day spent reading Chinese press articles  regarding contaminated food, soon leads one to the conclusion that if they happily contaminate the food and water, why should recycling of electronics, plastics and metals be any different.


This is the indifference that the government agencies are continually battling in an attempt to move China forward.

 

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Jennifer Baljko   5/6/2011 4:26:44 AM
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Thanks, Parser. I'll check out the links and examples you mention. Maybe a topic worth exploring for a follow-up post. Also going to look in hardcore's China info.

Everyone, thanks again for the ongoing dialog

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Parser   5/6/2011 4:06:13 AM
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Jennifer Baljko 

Simple example is in bottles recycling. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Redemption_Value

I am sure there are more. Apple is doing a lot about battery and computers recycling. However I am not sure how it is organized. When I bought a new MacBook in March year ago I got a free FedEx number for two computers to return that I could recycle back to Apple. I did with one I had, yes with lithium batteries inside. I believe I paid for it the purchase.

(In my previous comment should have written "... to pay upfront at the time of purchase ... ") 

 

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Jennifer Baljko   5/6/2011 3:35:57 AM
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Parser - I like your suggestion.

"..interesting case is with illegal sales to third word countries of discarded goods due to lack of recycling laws and infrastructure in those countries.A good but costly solution to this is to pay upfront a time of purchase for recycling. There are quite a few programs like that and they need to be spread. Then the recycling centers would pay back for recycling"

Do you know where some of these programs are currently in place? Would like to  check them out.

 




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Jennifer Baljko   5/6/2011 3:30:49 AM
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Hardcore - Thanks for the inside track on China's inbound WEEE and domestic recycling  hurdles. How depressing to read about this dark side. It such a huge task - sometimes I think we go one step forward, and two backwards.

 

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Re: Incentives to recycle
pocharle   5/5/2011 8:30:48 PM
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Nemos,

Laws are meant to be broken. That's why we have law enforcement.

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Nemos   5/5/2011 5:32:34 PM
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"me first" attitude , you mean selfish ?

I agree with the " There will always be law breakers, no matter what the rules are."

but I disagree with the The  financially incentive.  

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about Lead
Nemos   5/5/2011 2:45:33 PM
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Even if the goals are too hard for companies to be followed (I don't believe WEEE rules are unrealistic) they must be followed.  The article states a lot of numbers, but I didn't see to mention how unhealthy is to use, for instance, Lead for soldering and how dangerous is to expose yourself  for a long time using this kind of materials.


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Parser   5/5/2011 1:02:48 AM
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Standards have their own benefits of easy accommodation for many products, but unfortunately they stifle initiatives and innovations. As simple example at the beginning of the internet, where AOL was the pioneer and first on the market, there was a big hoopla about busy signal using phone line modems. AOL under pressure of public opinion bought massive number of modems and an interesting thing happened. People were afraid that labs were working on high-speed lines like DSL and Cable modems and they got to panic. They went to high court to stop development because they claim only rich would be able to buy it and it would put pressure on middle-income families. The judge said no.

Several decades later we see that nobody is using phone modems anymore. If we stopped scientific research, new ideas and innovations the life would not be worth living. It is not from buyer’s perspective it is form the designer’s perspective. There are so many examples that only progress keeps this world going. I cannot imagine delivery of goods without roads, good trucks, trains and airplanes and without communication tools to 7 billion people. That entire infrastructure has to be improved to be able to serve 10 billion people in not that far away future. Coming back to recycling. An interesting case is with illegal sales to third word countries of discarded goods due to lack of recycling laws and infrastructure in those countries. A good but costly solution to this is to pay upfront a time of purchase for recycling. There are quite a few programs like that and they need to be spread. Then the recycling centers would pay back for recycling. Beside this, we would have to pay for new recycling technology and for teaching generations discipline of recycle. 


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