Earnings: Dark Clouds Hang Over Europe's Bellwethers

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AzmatMalik
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Dark Clouds Over Europe
AzmatMalik   7/26/2012 4:45:23 PM
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It is a simple situation: we have all spent forward, and must now spend less. This may mean a period of slow growth, or even declines as things come back into alignment. An example is real estate prices, just about everywhere, that went up in anticipation of high inflation. Historically real estate prices (on average) go up about 0.5-1% inflation adjusted; between about 1985 and 2000 they went up about 9%. We have to payback that aberraant gain. Growth in China has been spurred by building etc essentially funded by the G8 nations via offshoring and related transfers. That too will slow down. 

Deflation is indeed a scary situation, but seems to me that we may be in for just such a period. Reserve banks and governemts should focus on managing the imminent deflation, rather than worry about excessive inflation. If they try to 'create' inflation it will only 'kick the can' a few more year out. Shift the pain even more so to the new generation. The baby boomers 'caused' this situation. We must address it. 

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Bolaji Ojo   7/26/2012 6:13:04 PM
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AzmatMalik, You put it simply but with a touch of reality that seems to be lacking in discussion of economic growth these days. We expect companies to grow at a rate of 20 percent or more per year and if they don't we take them to task over it. We look for stock prices to keep going higher and higher on a daily basis and we expect wages to rise too at a fast clip.

We've spent and borrowed ourselves into a box but we want to complain ourselves out of it rather than accept moderation and slower growth until we clean out the mess.

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elctrnx_lyf   7/26/2012 11:11:29 PM
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I really liked your perspective about the slow down. I do agree it's better happen sooner than later. Slowing down is good because it will definitely rise and flourish later on.

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Daryl   7/26/2012 11:25:56 PM
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AzmatMalik,

Interesting observation which I also happen to agree with.  I would add that all of the G8 countries are carrying to much dept.  These countries (USA etc..) need to reduce debt to below 10% of GDP.  This target is absolutely critical for a stable world economy to emerge.   Debt is the big elephant in the room and MUST be eliminated even though the process will be extremely painful.

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Jennifer Baljko   7/27/2012 5:21:11 AM
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AzmatMalik - Your observations are spot on, and like Bolaji mentioned these are the kinds of conversations we all should having - how can we add a dose of reality back to expectations.

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Jennifer Baljko   7/27/2012 5:25:09 AM
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elctrnx_lyf - Yes, it's all part of a cycle. The unfornatuate part is that we keep creating these more extreme cycles of extended feast and extended famine, coupled with unsustainable spending and then severe belt-tightening. Have to believe there is not a more moderate middle ground that would create greater stability and economic predictability.

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Jennifer Baljko   7/27/2012 5:29:18 AM
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Daryl - Good point. Big question is how to eliminate this debt? Countries keep trimming budgets in the name of austerity, but a serious dilemma emerges: When are you trimming fat and when are you trimming bone? Trimming fat is ok, but if you trim too much bone, countries won't be able to stand and hold their weight.

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FLYINGSCOT   7/27/2012 6:04:51 AM
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The outlook is not super rosy but neither does it look disastrous.  I imaging the big players will be able to manage their way through the abyss and hopefully come out stronger.

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TaimoorZ   7/27/2012 6:20:18 AM
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I think what matters more is where you cut spending on rather than how much you cut. If you cut down on the investments, you're aiming for a further decline in your economy. So you need to be careful about where the cut is taking place. Often this is the hardest decisions for governments to take.

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PG0236700   7/27/2012 9:26:28 AM
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I just wonder, in electronics, there are many experts more than capable to regulate power source, signal feedback, etc. Why not our economists worldwide could find a way to regulate our economy cycles ? I am very sure it is possible to stabilize our economy cycles, one way or another way.

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