Earnings: Dark Clouds Hang Over Europe's Bellwethers

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AzmatMalik
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Dark Clouds Over Europe
AzmatMalik   7/26/2012 4:45:23 PM
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It is a simple situation: we have all spent forward, and must now spend less. This may mean a period of slow growth, or even declines as things come back into alignment. An example is real estate prices, just about everywhere, that went up in anticipation of high inflation. Historically real estate prices (on average) go up about 0.5-1% inflation adjusted; between about 1985 and 2000 they went up about 9%. We have to payback that aberraant gain. Growth in China has been spurred by building etc essentially funded by the G8 nations via offshoring and related transfers. That too will slow down. 

Deflation is indeed a scary situation, but seems to me that we may be in for just such a period. Reserve banks and governemts should focus on managing the imminent deflation, rather than worry about excessive inflation. If they try to 'create' inflation it will only 'kick the can' a few more year out. Shift the pain even more so to the new generation. The baby boomers 'caused' this situation. We must address it. 

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
Bolaji Ojo   7/26/2012 6:13:04 PM
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AzmatMalik, You put it simply but with a touch of reality that seems to be lacking in discussion of economic growth these days. We expect companies to grow at a rate of 20 percent or more per year and if they don't we take them to task over it. We look for stock prices to keep going higher and higher on a daily basis and we expect wages to rise too at a fast clip.

We've spent and borrowed ourselves into a box but we want to complain ourselves out of it rather than accept moderation and slower growth until we clean out the mess.

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
elctrnx_lyf   7/26/2012 11:11:29 PM
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I really liked your perspective about the slow down. I do agree it's better happen sooner than later. Slowing down is good because it will definitely rise and flourish later on.

Jennifer Baljko
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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
Jennifer Baljko   7/27/2012 5:25:09 AM
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elctrnx_lyf - Yes, it's all part of a cycle. The unfornatuate part is that we keep creating these more extreme cycles of extended feast and extended famine, coupled with unsustainable spending and then severe belt-tightening. Have to believe there is not a more moderate middle ground that would create greater stability and economic predictability.

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
elctrnx_lyf   7/28/2012 9:38:50 PM
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All the executives in the world talk about the times of uncertainty and difficulties in economic predictability. the only way organisations becomes successful would be ready to accept some loss, some negative growth but still work hard with right investment going on.

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
WaqasAltaf   7/29/2012 3:17:12 AM
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@ electrnx_lyf

True. Its now more about comparatives. If two companies are sustaining losses, question now is, what to do to sustain the lesser loss. However, what should be of more concern to the analysts is the companies that are not giving breakeven results even. 

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
Daryl   7/26/2012 11:25:56 PM
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AzmatMalik,

Interesting observation which I also happen to agree with.  I would add that all of the G8 countries are carrying to much dept.  These countries (USA etc..) need to reduce debt to below 10% of GDP.  This target is absolutely critical for a stable world economy to emerge.   Debt is the big elephant in the room and MUST be eliminated even though the process will be extremely painful.

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
Jennifer Baljko   7/27/2012 5:29:18 AM
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Daryl - Good point. Big question is how to eliminate this debt? Countries keep trimming budgets in the name of austerity, but a serious dilemma emerges: When are you trimming fat and when are you trimming bone? Trimming fat is ok, but if you trim too much bone, countries won't be able to stand and hold their weight.

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
TaimoorZ   7/27/2012 6:20:18 AM
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I think what matters more is where you cut spending on rather than how much you cut. If you cut down on the investments, you're aiming for a further decline in your economy. So you need to be careful about where the cut is taking place. Often this is the hardest decisions for governments to take.

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
syedzunair   7/28/2012 9:04:54 AM
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Taimoorz, you are correct. The cost cutting measures should be applied to divisions or functions where the cut will not have an impact that will bring the entire structure down. For example, if you cut down the budget on education than in the future the country will face problems in getting technical resources for work. And, above all the upcoming generation will have lesser avenues of getting educated. Hence, the entire economy will suffer. 

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Re: Dark Clouds Over Europe
Jennifer Baljko   7/27/2012 5:21:11 AM
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AzmatMalik - Your observations are spot on, and like Bolaji mentioned these are the kinds of conversations we all should having - how can we add a dose of reality back to expectations.

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looks bleak
FLYINGSCOT   7/27/2012 6:04:51 AM
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The outlook is not super rosy but neither does it look disastrous.  I imaging the big players will be able to manage their way through the abyss and hopefully come out stronger.

Jennifer Baljko
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Jennifer Baljko   7/27/2012 9:55:32 AM
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FlyingScot - Right... the news is somewhere in the middle of the road and it's not much different than the news we've been hearing all along. The odd thing is that Wall Street seems to react as if the earnings news is a surprise and forgot that executives  keep providing cautious outlooks.

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Ariella   7/27/2012 1:30:55 PM
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Today's Business Insider  begins as follows:

Goldman Sachs Chief European Economist Huw Pill exposes a terrible irony about the eurozone in a video filmed this month: at the signing of the Maastricht Treaty, both those who loved and hated the prospect of a European Monetary Union actually thought that the euro would see a crisis that would test its structural basis eventually.
The key difference between their viewpoints consisted of their approval or rejection of the progress that would need to happen to make the euro area sustainable, and whether the populace would actually consent to go through with such reforms.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-huw-pill-euro-crisis-maastricht-treaty-2012-7#ixzz21qSpvTap

 

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Re: looks bleak
Himanshugupta   7/27/2012 10:56:34 AM
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@Flyingscot, i think Jennifer has used the right adjective "fuzzy" for the rest of the year picture. I like fuzzy picture than a clear rosy or damp scanrio as fuzzy signify hope. 

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Re: looks bleak
Bolaji Ojo   7/27/2012 1:42:47 PM
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Exactly Flyingscot. This is not 2001 when the economy sank deep into a pit. This is a measured slowdown. Perhaps all of us should take a deep breath and calm down.

WaqasAltaf
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Re: looks bleak
WaqasAltaf   7/29/2012 3:20:52 AM
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@ Bolaji

Agreed. Its the frequent gossips that causes us to believe in the hype. Its just a slowdown and not a completely negative scenario. However, for European economists, its time to analyze that what factors can affect their long term competitiveness. 

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Re: looks bleak
Hospice_Houngbo   7/27/2012 9:45:44 PM
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@FLINGSCOT,

Good thinking. Analysts may be blowing things out of proportion. We know that they are doing their job, but they are too must "alarmist" sometimes.

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Regulation of Economy Cycles
PG0236700   7/27/2012 9:26:28 AM
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I just wonder, in electronics, there are many experts more than capable to regulate power source, signal feedback, etc. Why not our economists worldwide could find a way to regulate our economy cycles ? I am very sure it is possible to stabilize our economy cycles, one way or another way.

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Will Germany tremble?
Hospice_Houngbo   7/27/2012 10:30:16 PM
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"Over in Germany, Siemens AG (NYSE: SI; Frankfurt: SIE) had even less rosy news."

German economy has been in good shape compared to other european countries. Will that Siemens revenue loss have a significant impact on the country's economy?  

Himanshugupta
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Re: Will Germany tremble?
Himanshugupta   7/28/2012 11:44:22 AM
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I think overall economic situation for Germany is much better than other countries. Siemens AG might have problems due to the electronics industry having problems in general. I donot think Germany is going anywhere in red, its situation is very strong.

WaqasAltaf
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Partnership at a disadvantage
WaqasAltaf   7/29/2012 3:23:42 AM
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Nokia is a such a huge giant with so many dependant companies that bad news on its part badly reflects on others as well. Its partners, such as STM, might be thinking that their association with Nokia might get them label of partner of a weak company unable to find good alternates.

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Perception vs truth?
Barbara Jorgensen   7/31/2012 3:00:32 PM
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I've been listening to earnings conference calls for several quarters now and this nagging pessimism just isn't going away. Until this quarter, execs were generally philosophical about the market: not a double dip, etc.; btb on the upswing...but the results are pretty ugly. I might have just crossed over from skeptic to believer: just because you are pessimistic doesn't mean the market isn't in the pits...

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Economic Ups and Downs
Jacob   8/1/2012 5:43:08 AM
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Jennifer, you are right, there is a global economic slowdown, especially in EU countries. This financial outcome shows that such slow down has effect the turnover and profit of companies. I think from 2000 onwards, there are many twist and turns in economic conditions and companies are struggling hard for their business.



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