One Car: Hold the Electronics, Please

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saranyatil
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saranyatil   3/19/2011 1:46:13 PM
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I would definitely trust electronics more than mechanical since the wear and tear are more. after seeing the google automated car I am clueless how cars will be in the future. such amazing integration created between sensors, some electronic technology with software becoming the back bone. electronics has gone far far..and will go a long way...

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Jerry S   3/15/2011 3:30:20 PM
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As Steve Wozniak (the real brain behind Apple) recently groused, we have gone too far putting electronics into control of everything, for all of these things will eventually fail. Perhaps we will have to start worrying about the the effect of sunspots or EMPs from nuclear accidents or from space causing massive damage to memory and cpus. Even without considering massive failures, critical industrial and military systems were designed with substantial redundancy, which I never see in consumer electronics.

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Hardcore   3/11/2011 2:59:21 AM
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Hi Barbra,

We are a lot closer to this than many people realize. Researchers (Steve Savage & Yoshi Kohno)actually demonstrated the attack last year on a vehicle, in many cases this was a standard vehicle with on-board computer system, not linked to the internet.

For some reason it has only just started to become a hot topic recently, with a number of press organizations jumping on it.

There is a bit more indepth material here: Hacking cars

As regards repairing cars with modern technology I would guess that it will become similar to the way they repair a computerized washing machine or air conditioner , the 'engineer' will just be a glorified  component remove and replace droid, maybe at sometime in the future even the people that design the systems will not know exactly how they work.

There must be a break point where the human mind is no longer capable of keeping track of all the details that relate to a given device and its subcomponents.

 

HC

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Mr. Roques   3/10/2011 9:10:21 PM
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I had a hard time deciding on this. Whether I trust a more 'mechanic' car or an 'electronic' car. Since my background is in electronics, I'm tempted to go with it but, while, mechanics are old fashioned and less efficient, they are more predictable (and that, somehow, makes them more trustworthy).

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Barbara Jorgensen   3/10/2011 1:38:46 PM
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I love when these discussions take off...

Security has a whole new meaning, here. Originally, keypad/electronic locks were to keep the car safe from thieves and carjackers...now we need to worry about hackers. Actually, I think we are still a long way away from that.

On a side note, some of the newer industries in Mass. are having trouble finding workers that can operate the high-tech gear that is now part of manufacturing. I wonder if franchises like Toyota provide training for their dealers. I would imagine they do, but that doesn't help the local mechanic

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Tvotapka   3/10/2011 1:32:11 PM
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Good coverage Barbara!  Made me miss my '74 Pinto Wagon. Now that was an easy car to fix! And when the door handle button broke, I simply needed a pencil to get the door open. No EE degree necessary!

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stochastic excursion   3/10/2011 12:38:02 PM
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The generation of automobiles that emphasizes fuel-efficiency and compactness was accompanied by a radically different maintenance use case.  While foreign cars were a boon for the average consumer, the savvy auto enthusiasts and friendly neighborhood garage mechanics were left scratching their heads.  Maintenance personnel have to be trained in the specifics by a manufacturer training program to deal with the intricacies of fuel injection and carburation and microprocessor engine regulation.

This was status quo for decades and came to dominate the industry.  It works well because it's a closed system.  The Toyota glitch certainly made a splash, but I think a lot of the problem was the extremely proprietary way in which Toyota regarded the protocols, programming and processor design in their vehicles.

Connecting something with critical real-time functionality to the cloud seems like a bad idea, especially as much of cloud computing functionality is still in the pilot stage.  Internet security is really not such a mission impossible, it's all about keeping critical data and apps in a closed system, and connecting to the net *not* as an administrator, with a system not prone to permissions elevation exploits.

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elctrnx_lyf   3/10/2011 11:44:08 AM
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This is the case with any modern elctonics in the different applications. Electronics are moving to everywhere. The automotives are the one area where the manufacturers trying to add more n more stuff to make it smarter. But this not just adds the intelligence but also the complexity. Even with real stringent requirements on the quality of automotive electronics there is still lot of issues with the electronics.

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TIOLUWA   3/10/2011 9:41:36 AM
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Hacking into cars? that is a real security issue.

Electronics is an inevitable evolution in all areas of life.

I agree with Parser, mechanics have no choice but to upgrade their skills to contain some electronics specific to the model of cars they work on or all models if they can.

Just think how electronics has taken over the medical sector, i don't knwo how hard they are finding it, but i know they have no choice because the benefits are obvious.

The same goes with cars as well.

 

Again as for security, this is just like the social network and mobile issues we've discussed on this forum, i believe a standard for security will come up soon, but till then, i hope no one finds his car turnig right when he means to turn left becuase someone has hacked into it.

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Adeniji Kayode   3/10/2011 7:23:43 AM
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eemom:

you really made a wide thinking on that.

while your specifications are possible, that still means more electronics in our cars.

And by then we would all  have become "Knight Riders"

I feel much better with the manual override when neccessary.

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