Why Apple Is an Arbiter of Right & Wrong

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chipmonk
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Apple's hypocrisy
chipmonk   2/1/2012 1:36:52 AM
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You all are missing the point.

Its much more about Apple's two - faced hypocrisy with its US customers ( / groupies ) than about FoxConn ( Hon Hai of Taiwan ) mistreatment of its Chinese workers fresh off the rice paddies.

Apple has always marketed itself as different & superior to run of the mill US Corp.s that seem to be just one law away from reverting to practicing slavery.

Cannot have all those Zen Buddhist pretensions when it is financed by 100s of billions in the bank made by sweat - shop exploitation

It might have been acceptable when Apple was nearly bankrupt but not anymore.

The cats out of the bag !

Barbara Jorgensen
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Barbara Jorgensen   1/31/2012 5:25:42 PM
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Several readers made the excellent point reminding us that all this outrage is based on Western values. That is the kind of perspective that makes the EBN community so good. Just last week, I was discussing this fact with another editor. How can we, who have not faced the challenges of the average Chinese worker, relate to, and judge, the situation in China (or anywhere else, for that matter.) From the confines of my heated home, with the energy-efficent lights on; gas in my minivan; with my cell phone charged and food in the fridge, my biggest problem right now is getting somewhere on time. Thanks, readers, for keeping it "real."

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Re: It is all relative
Cryptoman   1/31/2012 3:04:54 AM
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I think you have a raised a good point there Prabhakar.

We are looking at this issue from the perspective of Western values where people have plenty to be able to worry about the human right breaches and the inhumane labour conditions in China. However, being faced with a choice between life and death, who has the luxury of worrying about human rights and all? Certainly, not the Chinese workers as you have pointed out. They just want to be able to bring home the bacon (maybe not even the bacon but just the bread. Even the idioms we use in the West cannot plainly express this tragic situation!).

I think the key reason of the attacks on Apple on this matter is not because people are deeply concerned about the well-being of the poor Chinese workers (of course there are some who are genuinely concerned but the majority is not). The real reason of this heated debate is to weaken Apple by hitting where it hurts. Putting Apple under the spotlight is the only possible way the crowned king can be brought down. If the crowned company was not Apple but say 'Kiwi', it would have been the subject of this attack, which is the gist of Barbara's post.

How else can you fight an industrial giant with $98 billion in cash in the pocket?

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It is all relative
prabhakar_deosthali   1/31/2012 1:33:59 AM
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Those Chinese workers at Foxconn may be all be laughing at this debate ( if at all they get the chance to read these stories translated into Chinese).

There in factories like Foxconn they must be finding themselves lucky that they can eat something better than cockroaches and sankes and some shrubs from the jungle.

For many of these workers it may have been life changing job as earlier to this they may be living with a lot more hardships and worst living conditions.

I recollect here the example of thousands of Indian workers who migrated to gulf countries to make money. Their living conditions in those work locations were also far below par  -- but much better than what they were living in their shanty home towns. And they were making a good money and feeding their ailing and old parents at home.

 

So it is all relative!

 

 

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Mr. Roques   1/30/2012 6:14:20 PM
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Well, it just exemplifies what the World is made of... Apple (and it's shareholders) continues to grow, Foxcom continues to make profit, are they keeping it to themselves? If they chose to keep it, and not pay enough... they should be blamed, is there a Ministry of Labor in China?

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Re: Tha time has come ,
TaimoorZ   1/30/2012 5:30:31 PM
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To be honest, I'd say there would only be handful of consumers who may actually protest for a long time considering the ethical violation. Some consumers might get inspired initially, but it's difficult to maintain your stand for a long time.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Barbara Jorgensen   1/30/2012 4:50:57 PM

@Nemos: Well said! I think moral grounds are the best reason to vote with your pocketbook. But, like anything else, explaining the "why" to your child is the challenge. If you are consistent and have been steering your child toward socially-conscious decisions/purchases/practices, then you may stand a chance. But deciding now, because Apple is catching some flak? I wish I set the stage for something like that but the fact is, I did not. Really good point--and thanks for keeping us honest ;-)

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nalaro   1/30/2012 4:20:58 PM
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The question is one of politics and origins. Companies influence rules and laws all the time, so I won't simply say that if a company acts within a law, stop crying about the company and start looking at the law. But in this case, it works out because China did not pander to the Walmart's and Foxconn's. The culture was there prior to the money to be made from it.

The ultimate end is that companies actually have a responsibility to do whatever they can under the law to make a buck because if the law allows it, it will happen. If not Foxconn for Apple, then BYD for HP or something.

As long as a company isn't/hasn't altered the politics, I can't see how anyone can use the politics to condemn a company. The politics of China are bad, not the companies.

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Tha time has come ,
Nemos   1/30/2012 4:05:24 PM
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"When's the last time you denied your child Air Jordan sneakers or skipped the sale at Wal-Mart on moral grounds?" ok I will try to rephrase your question Barbara . Is it the correct moment to deny your child expectation based on moral grounds ? 

Maybe the time has come to think very very carefully what we are buying because with our action we are "rewarding" companies like Foxconn.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Why Apple?
Barbara Jorgensen   1/30/2012 3:34:08 PM
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Dell has also alluded to--if not outright mentioned--Foxconn in its corporate social responsibility report. Like Apple, Dell audited for and found practices that were inconsistent with Dell's. It also took measures to correct them. If Apple and Dell together were to exert pressure on Foxconn--and in some respects, they are, by reporting these abuses publicly--things may change.

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