'Big Three' Emerge in LCD Market

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Rich Krajewski
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If Samsung
Rich Krajewski   4/12/2012 3:29:44 AM
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If Samsung is going to focus on OLEDs, do you think the intention might be to get the price down enough to eventually take the display market over, since the technical specs are so superior?

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Re: Very good post
_hm   4/12/2012 7:19:32 PM
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Very good coverage. It will be very interesting to see how Japanese and Korean companies and governement gets involved. Japanese organizations will give very good fight to Koean organizations.

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Re: If Samsung
pocharle   4/15/2012 5:50:32 PM
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I think so. They already have a pretty decent stranglehold on the small to medium consumer base. Their displays are excellent. I find myself staring at their TVs whever I go through the electronics section at any store.

Why not try to take over the new thing too?

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Re: If Samsung
Rich Krajewski   4/15/2012 5:58:56 PM
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"They already have a pretty decent stranglehold"

I was thinking I also admire their stranglehold.


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Re: If Samsung
pocharle   4/17/2012 4:18:54 PM
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Well yes, same here.

As long as the quality continues to improve and they impress me with their product lines, let's hope it stays this way.

Who do you see as their main competitor in this space??

SONY?

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Re: If Samsung
Rich Krajewski   4/17/2012 4:42:30 PM
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"Who do you see as their main competitor in this space??"

 

EETimes.com has an article about this, too, I thought. Looks like Samsung is building up the manufacturing advantage, while Sony is rethinking its role, and examining whether it should become more of a software developer. Samsung is also working on new kinds of display technology, I understand.


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Re: If Samsung
pocharle   4/22/2012 5:07:10 PM
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Rich,

Thanks for the reply. I am unsure of whether or not I read your post wrong but is Sony considering exiting the display industry for software dev?

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FLYINGSCOT   4/12/2012 5:46:36 AM
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I like the way the Japanese government supports its high tech business. Ii wish other countries would follow this model in a significant way.

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TaimoorZ   4/13/2012 11:21:52 AM
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@FLYINGSCOT: I agree that the Japanese government has certainly taken a step in the right direction by investing in display companies. Displays will be a critical component in the future and I'm sure the investment will pay off very well for the Japanese economy and might establish Japan as the world leader in display products.

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OLEDS
Barbara Jorgensen   4/12/2012 11:35:07 AM
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@Rich: I think competition will force the prices of OLEDs down, and right now, the supply and manufacturing base is so tiny, it is going to take a long time. Samsung's biggest competitor, I believe, is LG. Both companies were instrumental in bringing LCD prices down, part through manufacturig efficiencies and part through head-to-head price competition.  But OLED production requires an entire infrastructure that just isn't there yet. The materials (inks, actually) aren't common and not many companies produce them; there are few OLED factories set up; and there are yield issues with larger-sized screens.

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NoelB   4/12/2012 3:49:11 PM
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@Barbara: I agree with your assertion that AMOLED displays offer a superior viewing experience, but not under all conditions.  I recently purchased a Samsung Galaxy SII phone and the display is wonderful...indoors.  However, sunlight almost completely washes out the screen outdoors.  That will be less of an issue with for an indoor TV application, but window light/glare is still a consideration. 

I also agree with your statement about the consumer sales will only pick up once the price of an AMOLED TV gets within that magic 20% premium range.  This is a problem not only for OLED panel manufacturers, but for all high-tech industries (except for possibly drug manufacturing). 

Basically, my premise is simple:  Technology has come so far in recent years that premium-worthy product differentiation is much harder to come by now.  For example, color was a great improvement over black-and-white.  Digital signal was a great enhancement over analog signal.  Flash > CD > cassette.  And so on.  However, how much of an improvement (to the average consumer) is 1080p over 720p?  Blu-Ray over DVD?  LED over LCD or Plasma?  Only deep-pocketed consumers can find the value in the premium products, and those consumers might sit on the sidelines during a down economy.

So how are high-tech companies to succeed in developing the "next big thing" when competing as much against their own "last big thing" as each other?  The ROI on such significant R&D is not good.  I guess they can use engineered obsolescence...effectively eliminating the old design by forcing the components to become obsolete.  Or shortening the MTBF to force a quicker product turnover in the market.  But neither of those are attractive options.

Please understand, I don't think the world is flat.  And, yes, we really did need more than 64K of RAM.  But, I would be curious as to your thoughts on the future success of such technology development efforts in an established market such as TV.  Thanks.

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Re: OLEDS
Rich Krajewski   4/12/2012 7:28:38 PM
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"But OLED production requires an entire infrastructure that just isn't there yet."

Excellent point concerning the near term. The weak OLED infrastructure reminds me of how land that was once too far away from the center of town could become more desirable as the center of town gets bigger.  As other technologies reach their limits, OLED could be a logical next step (if I understand it correctly).


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jbond   4/12/2012 1:19:41 PM
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The key to large growth in the LCD market is clearly going to be in emerging markets and not the U.S. OLED is definitely going to be the future. The question is when can they get a functional supply chain set up to bring the prices within reach of consumers. The OLED technology is seeing millions in R&D dollars, particularly by Corning Inc and Dow Chemical to name a few. The fact that OLED can be used on a flexible surface should make for some very unique opportunities.

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The next big thing
Barbara Jorgensen   4/12/2012 3:37:05 PM
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jbond: I agree. I remember that by 1995, everyone in the US was going to own an HDTV. The reality was closer to 2005 when LCD prices came down. As good as OLED technology is, I'd double the ETA of any mass-market OLED estimates.

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Re: The next big thing
Jacob   4/13/2012 8:58:54 AM
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Bolaji, narrow downing the market players can end up in monopolistic nature of business and finally customer may lose their choices.  If more players are there then there would be always a chance for health competition in terms of price and quality of products.

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Re: The next big thing
TaimoorZ   4/13/2012 11:18:54 AM
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I think OLEDs tend to lead in terms of their display quality and power consumption. As the production increases the price would come down. I agree that OLEDs would dominate in the future and penetrate very swiftly.

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Barbara Jorgensen   4/13/2012 2:09:59 PM
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NoelB: Thanks for your well-thought out comment. In general, OLEDs are supposed to work better in sunlight (than LCDs) becuase they are not backlit, so it surprises me that your experience with them hasn't been optimal. But I do know that the larger the screen, the lesser performance OLEDs have. This could be one of those situations and if so remains a problem for overall adoption of the technology.

I agree with your point about technology reaching a plateau of sorts. It is hard to imagine the next product that is going to shake up the marekt like the PC did. And, while OLEDs have a number of advantages over LCDs, they don't revolutionize screen technology. Flat-screens are way better than CRTs, but when you get to the point where we are today with LCD TVs, it may not matter whether it is an OLED or an LCD in your living room. But I think there will always be a group of early adopters out there that will buy them anyway, and that's one of the things that keeps the market growing :-)

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Showing the secret pocket
WaqasAltaf   4/14/2012 3:58:04 AM
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This is really a big development in LCD market which I think still has a lot of potential and consumers in many countries have'nt yet shifted to flat panel displays. When the lifecycle of any product (LCDs in this case) reaches maturity stage, the competition becomes intense and to grasp decent margins, new ways have to tried out to cut down overhead costs. So merger sounds good to me. This is also an indication that there was no further room for overhead cut down and merging production facilities was best way out.  

However, the best of three, in terms of quality looses out as it has to share its expertise with the partners in venture.



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