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tech4people
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Re: The Whole World is in ? Mode...
tech4people   6/8/2012 6:30:16 PM
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Ariella,

There is one more thing.

Ignore MBAs and anything what Wall Streeters say.

99 times out of 100 they are more interested in their own welfare not yours.

Think about it,if  Morgan Stanley wanted,they could have gone with FBs original recommendation of IPO price of $28/share,But no the Greedy crooks just wanted to fleece as many suckers as they could.

Guess what,The ordinary Joe on the Main Street is tired of getting ripped off every single time by these crooks.

He checked out of this Stock market casino a longtime back.And he ain't coming back in anyway like these crooks need to keep their businesses viable today.

Cheers

Ashish.

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Re: The Whole World is in ? Mode...
Ariella   6/8/2012 4:37:19 PM
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There is so substitute for doing your own due-diligence ,your own research and doing basic Maths.

@Ashish absolutely true!

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Re: The Whole World is in ? Mode...
tech4people   6/8/2012 2:45:36 PM
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wale,

I am not so sure.

Why is that so?

There is so substitute for doing your own due-diligence ,your own research and doing basic Maths.

But then what are you going to do about Basic Human emotions like Greed and Fear?

The Biggest Winners and Losers in any Market know how themselves better than anything else.

Markets have'nt changed much in the last Hundred Years;Human Pschyology is as predictable as ever.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: The Whole World is in ? Mode...
mfbertozzi   6/8/2012 11:03:27 AM
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@WaleB: good point Wale, I am convinced that a sort of case study could really help, in a positive sense, people, investors and companies, in avoiding any " bubble impact", while stock market would like to launch a given start-up or firm; coming back to FB, maybe it should be better to approach the study by a timeframe longer (i.e. a couple of quarters), for considering preliminary results.

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Re: The Whole World is in ? Mode...
mfbertozzi   6/8/2012 10:58:20 AM
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@tech4people: fantastic ! The first one approach is maybe more professional, but the second is really attactive, at least speaking for my self. Personally, I am absolutely in line with what have you suggested and I fill great, your way ( "what the market is ready to pay") for summarizing a concept with behind seveal complex factors. Very good. Thx.

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Re: The Whole World is in ? Mode...
Wale Bakare   6/8/2012 8:52:49 AM
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A deep look into Facebook since its inception in US, i think on a positive note has contributed to the development there. What do you think?

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Re: The Whole World is in ? Mode...
tech4people   6/8/2012 8:32:53 AM

Mfb,

There are two ways to look at any Stock(including Facebook).

One is the Benjamin Graham school of Value Investing where you look at things like Cash on the Balance Sheet,Dividend Payouts,How fast the company is Growing,PE ratios and the immortal Concept of Margin of Safety.

Based on those metrics I would'nt value FB at more than $10-$12/share.

However,since FB does'nt pay Dividends,I would rather wait till I see a steady stream of Annual Dividends from FB before I consider investing in FB.

If this price scares you,The really hard-core practicioners of Value Investing put FB at not more than $7.50/share!!!

Check this out

http://moneymorning.com/2012/05/25/facebook-stock-is-worth-7-50-a-share-at-best/

The second way is to look at what the market is ready to pay for the Stock.

Right now FB is still falling so we need to wait for it to stabilize for atleast a month before investing in the stock.

The market at the end of the day is the Judge Jury and executioner of any Idea.And right now the Market is still giving a massive Thumbs Down to FB Stock.

Now there is another way of looking at this Whole issue.Do you feel the problems which caused the crash of 2008;were a One-off? Have Governments done anything to reduce the risk of a similar Synchronized Global Blow-up once again in the Near Future?

The following two presentations straightaway argue that Governments have'nt done anything to prevent a repeat of those problems.

So the chances of a repeat of 2008 are very-very High.

If they do happen,then the NASDAQ will very well end up very close to 1500 levels;that's a 45% Drop from where we are today.

In that sceanario;Do you think FB will stay where it is today(close to $25/share)?

I don't think so.If we get such a crash once again then FB is going to end up very close to $7-$10/share.

Anyways,the moral of the story is Stay away from FB for now.

But do read both presentations.The Material is fantastic!!!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95493792/The-End-Game

http://www.scribd.com/doc/96356876/Eidesis-Capital

As for looking at the Daily gyrations of the stock;I don't care(and neither should anyone else who is serious about long-term investing).

What only matters is the long-term direction and right now that direction is Down.There is no doubt that the IPO was heavily over-priced and now that everyone is getting super dissapointed they keep dumping and exiting the stock.

Lets get a bottom in first.Then we can see what the market percieves as Fair Value for FB stock.

Regards

Ashish.

 

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Re: The Whole World is in ? Mode...
mfbertozzi   6/8/2012 2:56:23 AM
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@tech4people: many thanks, interesting analysis; how we could explain the up&down of Facebook? What was the real value of the company in terms of stock? Is it the current or the that one used at first stock market launch?

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Re: US Will But Europe
tech4people   6/7/2012 3:40:46 PM
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Wale,

You forgot one more.

Work Culture.

Americans are ready and willing to work much-much harder than Europeans today.

And they are ready to kick out politicians who dont act tough with Public Unions like in Case of Wisconsin and Scott Walker.

Most interesting article from the BBC do read.

Over-paid Public Sector workers are getting fired because of their intransigent behavior.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18332369

By the way in what is likely to be a death blow for Unions,Scott walker won the election Big-time in Wisconsin.

Regards

ashish.

Wale Bakare
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Re: US Will But Europe
Wale Bakare   6/7/2012 11:48:37 AM
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I agreed with you. Here are few contrasting points over US and Europe:

1 - Numeric population advantage

2- Ahead in innovations

3- Allow foreign nationals to participate and involve in technical and engineering developments and innovations.

4- Language

 

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