Eye-Openers on Counterfeiting

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prabhakar_deosthali
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Re: Countefeit and Unfit
prabhakar_deosthali   9/19/2012 10:57:02 AM
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Tirlapur,

but  what if the counterfiet product which is meeting specification while in a circuit ?

 

As long a part meeting all the specifiactions on paper as well as in circuit has not violated any license or patent in its manufacture, then we should have no reason to call it a counterfeit in my opinion.

In Automobiles many a second source suppleirs produce the components and sell them at much cheaper price than the original and people happliy buty them even after knowing that it is not original. Naturally the warranty period for such parts is much shorter.




tirlapur
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RE : Eye-Openers on Counterfeiting
tirlapur   9/19/2012 1:33:30 AM
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That's not the case. Even if the original component manufacturer marks a part, that part can be manipulated later down the line.

@Barbara, thanks for the post. I am surprised to know that original component can be manipulated later down the line. Does it mean its totally impossible to distinguish between original and counterfeit parts ? How can we detect counterfeit if the device is blacktopped/repackaged when RFID is not reliable.

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Re: right on
tirlapur   9/19/2012 1:33:27 AM
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but can this be possible if we don,t encourage comple destruction of E-waste?

@Adenji, good point. I think if we completely destroy the e-waste it would become difficult for the counterfeiters to extract counterfeit materials from the e-waste. 

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Re: Countefeit and Unfit
tirlapur   9/19/2012 1:33:27 AM
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In my opinion when a part is claimed to be meeting some specifications and actually not meeting them while in a circuit can be termed as counterfeit.

@prabhakar_deosthali, but  what if the counterfiet product which is meeting specification while in a circuit ? 

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Barbara Jorgensen   9/18/2012 4:13:35 PM
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Good point about "unfit." It makes sense. That would help bridge the gap between "authentic" and "counterfeit." Although those terms/parameters are confusing enough, I can see how a third category would work.

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Adeniji Kayode   9/18/2012 7:17:30 AM
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@FLYINGSCOT,

You are right, but can this be possible if we don,t encourage comple destruction of E-waste?

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FLYINGSCOT   9/18/2012 4:10:55 AM
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I agree that a part should be labelled counterfeit if it has been changed in any way from its original form and function as shipped from the original manufacturer.  Tampering in any way could lead to unwanted effects.

prabhakar_deosthali
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Countefeit and Unfit
prabhakar_deosthali   9/18/2012 3:08:10 AM
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I think we need to have a clear definition on what part should be termed as "counterfeit" and what part should be called as "Unfit".

In my opinion when a part is claimed to be meeting some specifications and actually not meeting them while in a circuit can be termed as counterfeit.

A part whose specifications themselves make it unusable in a given circuit is not a counterfeit but is an "unfit"

So wherever the supplier is trying to sell you a part claiming to meet your requirement specifications ( by faking the part number or giving false specification data) is a counterfeit.

Many of the genuine parts are becoming "unfit" to use in todays circuits because of the new regulations such as ROHS.  But noway we can term these as Counterfeit.

 

This mixing of "Counterfeit" with "Unfit" has to stop.

Our fight should be against counterfeits and not against "unfit"s

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Strict rules
Nemos   9/17/2012 8:02:26 PM
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"If the chip is removed and repackaged lead-free, the repackaged device under some qualifications would be considered counterfeit. "

Maybe applicable rules like the above makes the things too hard and maybe strict rules generate more problems 



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