Help Wanted: A 'PhD' in DfE

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Why only PhD?
_hm   9/27/2012 8:51:00 PM
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Why only PhD? Any graduate and post graduate will do almost equally good.

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Susan Fourtané   9/28/2012 3:21:20 AM
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Hi, Barbara 

This is very interesting as well as good news. I have a question, though, what kind of certification do they offer after completing the program? I don't think this is a PhD program. 

This program is an example of the many new careers that will lead to new jobs that don't exist yet. This comes to my mind as I remember some discussions about robotics and automation, and so many people being afraid of seeing a day when robots will take all the jobs and leave humans jobless. As we see, there are going to exist plenty of new opportunities, and job positions we don't know about yet. 

-Susan

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Re: Why only PhD?
nimantha.d   9/28/2012 5:52:02 AM
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Obviously _hm that is something which can be considered in the future.

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Re: Why only PhD?
TaimoorZ   9/28/2012 9:43:36 AM
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@_hm: I think the kind of research required for this program will be very extensive and may exceed the research conducted at undergraduate or graduate level. This is why a PhD might be a preference.

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Help Wanted: A PhD in DfE
SP   9/28/2012 2:55:16 AM
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In recent times environment engineering has come up quite well. And why not the way environment is getting polluted or disturbed these days its important that there are separate courses for it. I am sure the graduates would be never out of job. I remember way back in late nineties when someone chose this environmental engineering as main discipline we all asked why didnt you tkae electronics or computer science and the answer was becuase those seats were full. I am sure that person must be doing very well now. Coming to design for environment, I guess its so vey difficult to set any methodology and process or create any particular syllabus. As there are so many divisions inside that. But soon we got to do that.

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Re: Help Wanted: A PhD in DfE
Susan Fourtané   9/28/2012 3:33:08 AM
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SP, 

"I remember way back in late nineties when someone chose this environmental engineering as main discipline we all asked why didnt you tkae electronics or computer science and the answer was becuase those seats were full. I am sure that person must be doing very well now." 

Indeed, that person sure have found more possibiities in the past decade within environmental engineering, a field that maybe was not so popular in the 90s, but for sure it is today, and will have much more opportunities in the near future. 

-Susan

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Re: Help Wanted: A PhD in DfE
TaimoorZ   9/28/2012 9:42:43 AM
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@Susan: This is one of the areas where an ethical side of engineering practices will be taught and I find it to be a much-needed area. I think it should become more popular over the years.

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Re: Help Wanted: A PhD in DfE
Susan Fourtané   9/28/2012 10:04:56 AM
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Taimoor, 

Yes. The fact that the world is developing a more conscious understanding of the environmental issues in exsitence will also help to increase its popularity. And yes, an ethical aspect of engineering practice is needed. 

-Susan

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Re: Help Wanted: A PhD in DfE
TaimoorZ   9/28/2012 6:57:51 PM
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@Susan: While concern for environment is one key ethical element in the area, there are also other things that can be added to it. This would include things like ethical labor practices and workforce treatment.

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Re: Help Wanted: A PhD in DfE
hash.era   9/29/2012 7:27:04 AM
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True and I feel labour will be the key factor here. if they can get cheap labour which is ideal, they will feel that they have covered basically every aspect.

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Re: Help Wanted: A PhD in DfE
Susan Fourtané   10/1/2012 9:29:31 AM
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Taimoor, 

Of course. I didn't mean to exclude any aspect of it. 

-Susan 

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FLYINGSCOT   9/28/2012 8:08:50 AM
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I think it is a great idea to help in this area and to ensure th einformation is in one easy to access place.  It is a good initiative and hopefully will be better that the piecemeal efforts of yore.

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Barbara Jorgensen   9/28/2012 11:01:43 AM
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Hi Susan,

The certification comes from the developers of the program, which have many decades' worth of experience behind them. This really isn't an academic program attached to a university. Within electronics, there are all kinds of standards and certifications that come from individual companies, trade associations, NGOs, etc. IPC and IEEE for example, develop standards and certify users to these standards. The DfE Online team included companies, trade associations and third-parties as part of the development  process. For this particular program, the developers are more than qualified to grant certification.

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Himanshugupta   9/28/2012 1:15:12 PM
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So Barbara, its kind of certification and not really a program or standard coursework that is typical of a university program. It sounds like a knowledge of best industry practices to make a design for environment then. I was curious about the duration, cost and who can really benefit from this certification? 

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Re: Certification
Barbara Jorgensen   9/28/2012 1:30:37 PM
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Hi himan: yes, the confusion over the type of certification prompted me to put 'PhD' in quotes. Only a university can grant a PhD. To answer your question, the course has 8 modules, all self-paced. You can be certified in 1 module or the entire course. (I think the modules are about an hour each, but they also provide supplementary activities so it may be more than an hour.) The cost is based on the number of users--a single user is in the $1,000-range; for corporations, the cost caps out so they don't pay per user. I think anyone could benefit from the program as it covers design as well as procurement. There are analytical tools in the course that can help determine ROI of a specific activity or design, for instance.

I believe you can see a demo of the program through the link provided in the blog.

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tech4people   9/29/2012 1:18:35 PM
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Barbara,

You think the Program will be Hit?

Far too many people today are questioning the rationale of taking out Gigantic Loans to pay for Education Degrees in the first place.

Was just reading some Department of Education data on Student Loans.

As of today,over USD 120 Billion worth of Federal Loans are now in Default.

http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/first-official-three-year-student-loan-default-rates-published

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-28/student-loan-defaults-soar-as-government-scrutiny-grow.html

In such a sceanario,I don't think taking on Bigger loans to pay for more education is the solution to anybody's problem.

Yes if the company is willing to pay for this education themselves;it is a completely different story.

Regards

Ashish.

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Hospice_Houngbo   9/29/2012 2:07:43 PM
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@tech4people,

"Yes if the company is willing to pay for this education themselves;it is a completely different story."

Some companies might be willing to do that, but we should not count on that. Also, student loan repayment is conditioned upon their future income, right? 

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tech4people   9/29/2012 3:29:12 PM
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Houngbo,

Not at all.

The moment you graduate;the clock starts ticking on all your Student Loan Payments!

If The company is willing to foot the bill for this expense,I see no problem;Just feel most students are too cash-strapped today to pay for this expense.

Regards

Ashish.

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Hospice_Houngbo   9/29/2012 7:45:23 PM
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@tech4people,

"The moment you graduate;the clock starts ticking on all your Student Loan Payments!"

Thanks for ellaborating. I didn't know about that as most of my university courses was funded through grants and scholarship. What happens if students are not able to pay their loans back?

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Himanshugupta   9/30/2012 8:57:19 AM
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@Hospice, i do not think that anyone need to answer the question 'what if you cannot repay your loan'. Don't we all know the harse reality of this democracy that if a student cannot repay loan then he/she will be a bonded labour of the bank and govenment will ensure that bank are bounded by law to limit their torture to keep student alive. And on the other hand if a bank fail to repay loan then government say," oh my friend...which loan...have a cup of tea and please keep the keys of my treasury."

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tech4people   10/2/2012 11:13:54 AM
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Hospice,

That's when the fun starts!!!

Search online for Student Loan collector Horror Stories.

Man,its not a pretty existence at all for most people.

Extemely,extremely frightening for most Young people as the Debt-Burden never seems to ease.

They are forced to Delay Buying Cars(and other Discretionary items),Delay Marriage ,Delay starting their families and Delay Buying their Own Homes.

Its not a pretty existence for most Debt Slaves.

Not at all.

Regards

Ashish.

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Barbara Jorgensen   10/1/2012 9:06:14 AM
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Hi tech4: I think this is a very good program and will not require a student loan. It is a certification based on completion of the course.

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Wale Bakare   10/2/2012 10:58:54 AM
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>>In such a sceanario,I don't think taking on Bigger loans to pay for more education is the solution to anybody's problem<<

You are right. But are you expecting that to stop when demand for university graduates to fill lucrative and better jobs is high? Or do you think certification of this kind is enough for substitution for degree certificates? Meanwhile, are there loans available for many students today compare to pre-recession times?

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tech4people   10/2/2012 11:23:12 AM
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Wale,

If you see the tremendous Decline in MBA Applications for all the Top Schools this Year;you will know that this is no longer the case.

Even in Highly Specialized Fields;more and more Students are extremely wary before Taking Loans worth Thousands and Thousands of Dollars for a Degree which may not even promise a lucrative job at the end of it all.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Certification
Wale Bakare   10/3/2012 6:02:06 AM
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Interesting! What implication would online courses running freely by the top universities around the world have on their high tutions?

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tech4people   10/3/2012 9:40:06 AM
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Wale,

It depends.

If the Online Course is priced at the same price as Offline Tuition Fees[Which seems to be the established practice];it won't have any difference on costs.

On the other hand,if its priced much-much less[Say 40%-50% less] then it can make an appreciable difference on Tuition Costs.

Regards

Ashish.

 

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Jacob   10/5/2012 3:14:33 AM
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Wale, for online tuition the recurring costs are very less, so they have the flexibility to offer or fix the fee at any level, when compare with the in-class room training. But I know some universities are charging separately (optional) for contact classes along with the online training course. Since majority of the online class students are from working environment (employed), they are not that much bothered about the fee or other expenses. For them timings are the only constrains.

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Re: Certification
Himanshugupta   9/30/2012 8:49:07 AM
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Thanks Barbara for providing the details and link. So, one can finish the certification in one-day work hour (i do not know the intended difficulty levels). 

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Jacob   10/1/2012 3:28:52 AM
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Barbara, it’s a PhD or certification course. Only universities are authorized to issue such research degrees. I think there are scopes for some research degree too because its quiet new and interesting area.

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Barbara Jorgensen   10/1/2012 9:03:30 AM
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@Jacob: It's a certification program. The headline was meant to be clever.



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