Counterfeiting: The Worst Is Yet to Come

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Mr. Roques
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Re: Counterfeiting: The Worst Is Yet to Come
Mr. Roques   10/25/2012 3:37:18 PM
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Well, then you create a 1st level certificate ("we validate that this company's process is genuine"), 2nd level certificate, etc. Each one costing more than the next.

Adeniji Kayode
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Adeniji Kayode   10/13/2012 7:07:20 AM
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@SP,

you right on that, the issue of counterfeit is a bit complex to the extend that your technician may even use one for you to draw more cash into his pocket. Now if you can,t identify counterfeits, he should.So who is suppose to make the report.

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Kristal Snider - ERAI   10/12/2012 5:58:46 PM
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Excellent discussion!  Barbara, in response to your question: "Do you think the data will change if the new guidelines are followed?" It's too early to tell what effect new NDAA regulations will have on the defense supply chain and broader global counterfeiting efforts.  Having said that, the U.S. government and their defense industry counterparts have already made tremendously positive strides to bring awareness to the risk that counterfeits present to armed services personnel, national security and the taxpayers.  Education, standardization, information sharing and addressing the "root" of the problem are all key pieces to solving this puzzle.  I would like to encourage your readers to follow closely the standards, (AS5553, AS6081 & AS6171), being developed by SAE Aerospace.  Participate in educational opportunities which may include free webinars, conferences, and trainings. For example, SAE will be holding a Counterfeit Parts Avoidance Symposium at the end of this month and SMTA|CALCE are hosting a Symposium in early December. These and others are commendable efforts and steps in the right direction. Readers here are also welcome to join ERAI's LinkedIn Group (ERAI: Counterfeit Part Avoidance, Detection, Disposition and Reporting), it's free and full of great information.

I whole heartedly believe unity brings forth change.

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GraniteIC   10/12/2012 9:56:16 AM
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Companies do not report counterfeits because they fear it makes them look bad.

What happens is that the End User requires the Independent Distributor who supplied the counterfeit to report the incident. 

This way the Government Contractor is unknown, and completely out of the reporting process. They are then able to show they have dramatically reduced the incidents of counterfeiting. 

The Independent Distributor also wants to remain anonymous. They do not report to GIDEP. Instead they report to a private company who allows reporting of just the part details. 

The original source of the counterfeit is allowed to learn how the counterfeit was detected. They use the information to sharpen their counterfeiting skills and continue on with their nefarious activities.   

Everyone in this process including the End User is covering up for their supplier who shipped a counterfeit. 

Until all customers military and commercial are required to report counterfeits the problem will continue to grow. Only with fair accurate reporting will we make progress. 

When a "Suspect Counterfeit" is identified it should be reported immediately to the supplier of the product. If the supplier is unable or unwilling to supply tractability or other evidence of authentication then the end user must report the supplier and so on down the supply chain until the original source of the counterfeit is discovered. There is no other way. 

The days of protecting your supplier with anonymous reporting must end.

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SP   10/12/2012 2:15:54 AM
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@Barbara, Its difficult to believe that counterfeit doesnt happen at all. I think its not getting reported. I guess the people who are buying it are seeing a value in it may be they are cheaper or they are just available when its not longer available from the genuine source or the lead time is huge if to get from genuine source. Defintely the seller would not report it. So if  the buyer and seller both are happy how would it get reported. Unless there are detective agencies working on this to catch the parties involved I guess it would be difficult to get the data. But the question is "Is stopping counterfeit such an important task that government employ some detective agencies on this?" I would say yes it is.

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Adeniji Kayode   10/11/2012 2:54:56 PM
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@Sp,

I agree with you on that, the moment counterfeits have reach the lowest level possible, the price of the  original products may go up too.

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The worst is yet to come
Barbara Jorgensen   10/11/2012 8:59:58 AM
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I have to admit I keep going in circles on this topic. It seems to be we should have made more headway than this--based on the statistics, at least. Maybe there are more counterfeits because more components are being shipped. But judging by earning reports, component sales have been declining. I think what really alarms me is the reported lack of data from GIDEP and DLA. If the problem is so bad that we need an act of Congress to combat it, where's the evidence? The NDAA hasn't even been implemented yet, but government isn't reporting any incidents of counterfeits in 2012. Does that mean there aren't any? Or that they are just not being reported?

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SP   10/11/2012 3:24:28 AM
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So true GraniteIc. Unless every individual and every organization stands against counterfeit components morally and business wise, nothing will change. The few years will be tough but afterwards it would be good for everyone. And government must also give some subsidy in taxes or any other form to the organizations or individuals who buy from genuine source and say no to counterfeit.

 

 

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GraniteIC   10/10/2012 6:03:13 PM
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Beware the cheeky cheater. They are all smiles and have a flashily marketing pitch. They will promise you everything. They will solve all your problems.  They are so nice and tell you funny jokes and can get you to smile with them. They will make you fee so good about yourself. They will make your job so very easy and supply you with all the parts you need and provide flashy test reports with lots of photos that states, inconclusive. 

Beware the cheeky cheater is very charming when things go wrong they will convince you it's your fault because you signed a wavier and accepted the inconclusive test report.   You will not want to upset the cheeky cheater who is your friend and makes you feel so good, and after all you did sign that wavier an accepted the inconclusive test report.  You will apologies to the cheeky cheater and promise not to report them. 

Beware the cheeky cheater will promise to report the P/N and keep you out of it. The cheeky cheater has solved another problem. The P/N gets reported and no one knows you sign that wavier an accepted the inconclusive test report. Beware the cheeky cheater who is solving all your problems when that undiscovered escape cause catastrophic damages the cheeky cheater will explain how you knew about the issues you did sign that wavier an accepted the inconclusive test report.



Adeniji Kayode
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Re: Counterfeiting: The Worst Is Yet to Come
Adeniji Kayode   10/10/2012 8:07:41 AM
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@Sp,

You made a good point there.The effort really worth it.

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