Anti-Counterfeiting in Action

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_hm
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Good quick action
_hm   10/16/2012 7:34:25 PM
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This is a very good quick action. UL should also publish names of Amercian/Canadian local companies associated with it and punish them for this.

 

TaimoorZ
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Re: Good quick action
TaimoorZ   10/17/2012 11:49:42 AM
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"This is a very good quick action. UL should also publish names of Amercian/Canadian local companies associated with it and punish them for this."

@_hm: As far as I think, there would be more Chinese and other Asian companies involved in counterfeiting than American or Canadian companies. However, I'm unsure if any real action can be taken against these companies.

_hm
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Re: Good quick action
_hm   10/17/2012 7:34:39 PM
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@Taimoor: But majority of profit is taken away by local American or Canadain person. They should be held accountable.

 

Frank Cavallaro
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Anti-Counterfeiting
Frank Cavallaro   10/17/2012 10:13:19 AM
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I agree that the "exposure" of known counterfeit products is easier said than done. A multi-tier approach that includes this "exposure" along with more stringent screening methods and potentially DNA type marking technologies will help this important issue

TaimoorZ
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TaimoorZ   10/17/2012 11:46:59 AM
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@Frank: I agree. Exposure is useless unless it's backed up by concrete actions to ensure there's some permanent damage done to the company involved in counterfeiting. And the damage has to go beyond financial punishments because it's pretty easy for companies to pay fine and get away with it.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Barbara Jorgensen   10/17/2012 3:25:04 PM
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Yes, it's interesting that the UL alert includes "authorities having jurisdiction," but that's a pretty generic phrase. It also sems to me that the onus is on those authorities to follow up and prosecute. Maybe they do. I'll keep my eyes open for a follow-up.

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Douglas Alexander   10/17/2012 3:57:52 PM
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@Barbara, Just as their are alert based srvices like EEContent.com and TPP for PLM issues like end of life and product change notices, do you expect we will see a 3rd party alert service for all industry sectored counterfeit notifications? The UL counterfeit is something that would be very difficult to pick up because the end user probably doesn't care because it is taken for granted. When I have ordered power supplies, I have specified "must have UL and CSA certs with labels attached to PS". I never, ever called UL to see if the label was genuine. FYI, I have seen FCC labels faked too. By the way, this isn't really me writing.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Barbara Jorgensen   10/17/2012 3:04:57 PM
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Thanks for the added backup, Frank! I was trying to think of a simple way to report this stuff and there really isn't. Information is so decentralized. A number of organizations have tried to centralize it, but we all know companies don't like to acknowledge they've been duped. Who does? Although posting on a website is largely CYA--in other words, you do what you can to alert your customers--it still has a limited impact.

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Risk Notification is Critical
GraniteIC   10/17/2012 11:28:15 AM
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Notifying customers of potential risk is critical. Failure to notify is "Knowingly" trafficking in counterfeits. 

The government determined the risk level is high enough that the companies who purchased from Vision Tech and MVP need to know.  

You can not rely on your ID supplier to willing pass that risk notification along. You must ask them specifically or they will not tell you.

Every single "End User" should immediately send a written formal request for the information. Protect yourself from liability down the road.  Obtain a written response from all your open market suppliers. Request information on material sourced from the following: 

Any material supplied by a source without a verifiable VAT or TAX ID and the following companies. 

JFBK Inc AKA: New World Technologies Inc FKA: QFT Tech 

JJ Electron ICS Inc. AKA: J J Electronics, J.J. Electronics, ShenJie, Square Bird Inc 

J&W Technologies LLC AKA: JWT 

Hongdark Electronic Trade Company AKA: Hong Dark Electronic Co., Hong Dark Electronic Trade Company , Hong Dark Electronics Co., Hong Dark Technology Co., Hong Xing Da Technology Co, Hongdark Technology Co., HongXing Da Technology Co., HongXingDa Technology Co, Shenzhen Hong Dark Electronics Co., Shenzhen HongDark Electronic Trade Company, Shenzhen Hongdark Electronics Co. 

MVP Micro Inc - AKA: Chip Stop, Chipstop, Chipstop.net, Consulting Inc., BeBe Star Consulting Labra Electronics Inc. Labra inc., Becker Components Inc.Pentagon Components, Inc. 

VisionTech Components - AKA: Vision Tech Components, Vision-Tech Components 

The DOJ has issued statements they will go after End Users. You need your open market supplier's written response to show you did everything possible to identify potential risk. 

All of the above companies have been identified by the US Government as Counterfeiters. Arrested, Convicted

Barbara Jorgensen
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Barbara Jorgensen   10/17/2012 7:14:26 PM
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Douglas (real or fake): I had an enlightening discussion with an industry source today. It turns out that the known options for reporting counterfeits, whether it is a Website; GiDEP, IDEA, ERAI, legal entity or something else, have a common problem. No one wants to admit they have purchased a counterfeit part. Not only is it embarrassing, but the consequences regarding customers, suppliers, distributors and other supply chain partners can lead to nasty things like distrust and lawsuits. Although there are mechanisms for reporting anonymously, there may be issues regarding backward traceabilty (if 'proving' a counterfeit comes to that.)

I definitely understand the reluctance to admit a mistake and worse yet have your supply chain processes vetted. But my sense is, none of the remedies we talk about here will make one bit of difference unless organizations are willing to admit they made a mistake. As to third-party sites: I think that might be a good idea. Again, there would have to be safeguards and a lot of due diligence, but isn't that what third parties are supposed to do? If done correctly, it might also address the anonymity issue.

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DanMatis   10/18/2012 8:37:15 AM
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People & Companies need to realize ...

IT'S OK TO ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE

or as my Dad used to say ...

We are all human and will make mistakes, but ...

It's NOT what happened .. IT'S WHAT YOU DO NEXT!

We all learn from our experiences and that is how we will be able to combat the counterfeiters and traffickers of components. 

If we can all learn from each other's mistakes AND HOW WE WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, we can expose WHO & HOW components are being counterfeited and trafficked.

We are currently working on building a site as Barbara dicussed that will allow ANYONE & EVERYONE to be able to post and view issues involving the people, companies, part numbers, and situations surrounding counterfeiters, trafficking of countefeit products, the prevention of getting counterfeit product and the techiques-procedures.

 

THIS SITE WILL BE FREE

AND

ACCESSIBLE TO ANY USER WITH ACCESS TO THE INTERNET.

We are currently looking for ideas and people who believe in this cause.

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If you have ideas on what you would like to see on this site

OR

You would like to be involved in the fight against counterfeiting ...

 

WE ARE NOW ACCEPTING IDEAS & RESUMES 

 

PLEASE SEND YOUR IDEAS & RESUMES TO :

Dan Matis at danm@ati-now.com

We will be reviewing all emails and replying to all.

We welcome all ideas, suggestions, and comments 

prabhakar_deosthali
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prabhakar_deosthali   10/18/2012 1:22:24 AM
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It may be a good idea for the manufacturing companies who get suspected spurious parts on their production line, with supposedly fake certifications , to report such cases to the certifying agencies like UL, these companies would be able to spread word much quickly about these counterfeits in the user community

pocharle
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pocharle   10/31/2012 11:48:54 PM
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Do they have the resources on their end to report counterfeiting on a widespread scale??



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