Robots Take the Next Step in Automation

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_hm
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Why do you call Robot?
_hm   8/24/2012 7:40:22 PM
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It is misnomer to call all automation devices and machniary Robot?

 

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Nemos   8/24/2012 8:44:46 PM
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In the next coming years will see robots to take seats at every factory unit. The question should be "what about the human workers ?" 

 

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Re: Indeed
mfbertozzi   8/25/2012 4:24:39 AM
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@Nemos: I understand, but I would like to share an additional perspective; in a such way, robots could help humans in perfoming better their own job or doing that in critical conditions. We are assisting for example, right now, to the mission to Mars. Maybe right tradeoff in using robots, could bring several advantages to us.

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elctrnx_lyf   8/25/2012 4:37:22 AM
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The next generation factories and ware houses will consist of robots taking Care of all the goods movements. This will definitely improve the efiiciency and cut the costs.

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Adeniji Kayode   8/26/2012 5:57:11 PM
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@elctrnx,

You are very right on that but it may also increase joblessness except if we all go to school to learn how to make Robots.

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Re: Indeed
Rich Krajewski   8/26/2012 7:17:23 PM
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"it may also increase joblessness except if we all go to school to learn how to make Robots."

I used to think that, too, until I got the Overpopulation stick shaken at me. Now it's not just joblessness I'm worried about!

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Bolaji Ojo   8/26/2012 9:30:31 PM
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Rich, There's another overpopulation you may have to be concerned about if "robots take the next step in automation." If robots become as successful as people have imagined, robots will be used for many and most functions man currently performs. The overpopulation of robots will follow the underemployment of man.

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Hospice_Houngbo   8/27/2012 12:22:38 AM
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@Adeniji,

"it may also increase joblessness"

I have been hearing that complaint about robots taking our jobs for years now and nothing has happened. The threat may be real, but we should not blow things out of proportion.

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TaimoorZ   8/27/2012 3:04:00 AM
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Robots making people lose jobs has surely been a myth for over the years and I think it will continue to be. With the introduction of robots, the mode of jobs will change but the overall number will not decline (in the economy that is). Mechanical workers may not be required anymore but they'll be replaced by people who can program robots and supervise them. Workers will need to get some additional trainings in order to cope up with this change.

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Anna young   8/27/2012 6:06:49 AM
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 It shows that there are changes taking place in the electronics manufacturing sectors. However, from human perspectives the fear of structural change to what it's been conditioned is often difficult to cope with. I agree with you to cope with these changes it will require re- training. I think that's the only way forward.

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mfbertozzi   9/2/2012 5:22:07 AM
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@elctrnx_lyf: I full share this point, warehouses' automation has allowed saving and a better way for providing end users with goods requested; the important step, speaking for myself, is the profit achieved by companies which have adopted automation by robots; I aim it will be invested, also partially, for example in education for workers in order to assure also for them, a step forward.

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Adeniji Kayode   8/26/2012 5:53:51 PM
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@mfbertozzi,

You are right on that but that is an advantage,it could be a disadvantage too.

Which means that companies will employ less human workers and therby leading to high rate of joblessness.

I could aslo lead to people going to school to get educated to be jobless because  what they can do can be done faster and better by a Robot.

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Mr. Roques   8/26/2012 6:53:35 PM
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Do you happen to know what the price point is? It depends on the industry, i'm sure. But this robots must have some sort of entry-level price, don't they?

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Bolaji Ojo   8/26/2012 9:18:39 PM
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The price point is less important than the return on the investment. If the robots' productivity is exponentially higher, the investment would have been worth it over the life span of the equipment. If robots take over companies may be less concerned about things they must constantly consider where humans are concerned.

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Mr. Roques   8/29/2012 10:00:21 AM
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I understand, but even that can be translated into a price point. You measure the ROI and everything else and we can conclude: if it costs less than 100,000$, then it's worth it.

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mfbertozzi   9/2/2012 5:09:04 AM
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@AK: well, I have appreciated your thoughts and I agree with the fact that, in a such way, robots' adoption could represent a possible risk for workers' job; I would proceed with your vision about education. Robots need to be conceived, than built, deployed and managed then all those steps could potentially act as now jobs and activities for humans and, in principle, for teaching at schools.

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Robots do not need AI to replace humans after all!
Cryptoman   8/25/2012 1:53:27 PM
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We have all heard that one day in the not so distant future, the development of artificial intelligence (AI) will mark the end of the human race as the super intelligent robots will take over the world and make the human race redundant. This article clearly shows that without the need of AI, people are able to make humans redundant in the manufacturing sector at least.

The trouble is the replaced workers are often low skilled people and have very little alternative to find other jobs to be able to make a living. If you consider such replacements in millions, the scale of the problem becomes clearer.

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stochastic excursion   8/25/2012 6:30:46 PM
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I think the key in the expansion of robot capabilities has to do with that they're getting easier to program.  Increasing ease of use of automation means humans are getting smarter too, and whoever can catch on to programming these devices can ride the gravy train for a while.

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Re: Robots do not need AI to replace humans after all!
TaimoorZ   8/27/2012 3:09:14 AM
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" Increasing ease of use of automation means humans are getting smarter too, and whoever can catch on to programming these devices can ride the gravy train for a while."

@Stochastic: Considering this dire need for people who can program robots, I think universities need to pay more attention to this and start offering degree programs in the area of robotic engineering. There's already plenty of gap in the demand and supply of robot programmers and the gap will exist if the curriculum is not revised.


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prabhakar_deosthali   8/27/2012 2:31:10 AM
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Till the time when robots themselves will be able to reproduce robots, we humans do not have to worry. More robots actually means more jobs in robot manufactruing , so the human effort is not reduced but diverted to some different factory.

Robot design, manufactruing, related software development , robot maintenance all of this is going to become a big industry  tomorrow like IT has become today .

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stochastic excursion   8/27/2012 2:50:58 AM
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It's true that these technical innovations transform the workplace rather than eliminating it.  I'm of the opinion that nature is in an imperfect state, and as long as that's the case there will always be work to do.  The trick is turning that work into paying jobs.

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Adeniji Kayode   8/29/2012 9:20:25 AM
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@stochastic,

I agree it transform our workplace but it also reduce available jobs too.

How many gas attendants do you have to employ in an automated gas station?

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Anna young   8/27/2012 5:53:29 AM
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@Prabhakar, absolutely! At least it's evident robots cannot produce robots. The innovation and technology is still concentrated in humans.  Its introduced to accelerate productions and maximise profits isn't?

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Adeniji Kayode   8/29/2012 9:16:26 AM
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@prabhakar,

Are you saying that, by then all our jobs will center around making and designing of robots?

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prabhakar_deosthali   8/29/2012 10:57:50 AM
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Adenji,

I do not mean to say that but my point is that there will be transformation of the nature of jobs that humans will be doing when new technologies start working for the routine tasks.

Take for example the working of banks and stock exchanges which was a purely manual activity a few years backwhci is now wholly working in real time on computerised systems. This has rediced the clerical work force but see how many software development ,support and maintenance jobs it has created worldwide.

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Susan Fourtané   8/29/2012 12:31:26 PM
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Prabhakar, 

"there will be transformation of the nature of jobs that humans will be doing when new technologies start working for the routine tasks."

Exactly. This transformation you are talking about is something that will happen not only at workforce level but also at creating new careers while older ones disappear as the graduates will not be needed anymore.

Your example of the changes in the banking system is good. More and more we will see bank branches disappearing, and more online and cloud banking being created and used. New jobs in connection with banking are created but the old clerks will disappear completely. Even money will suffer a transformation, and cash will dsappear to give room to electronic transactions in cashless economies. And this is no future or science fiction, this is already happening in Sweden. 

-Susan 

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Robots Take the Next Step in Automation
SP   8/27/2012 6:44:55 AM
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I guess in the industries where most of the work is monotonous and there is hardly any change its better to employ a robot. Atleast robot wont complain. But think about the amount of electonic waste we are gengerating by making so many robots.

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Himanshugupta   8/27/2012 2:38:46 PM
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@SP, for any repetitive work a robot is for sure a better choice given the price offset to deploy a robot is not excessively larger than human worker. Electronic waste is today's reality and i still do not know how will we handle so much of electronic waste. While thinking about whether robots will take jobs away from humans i realize that some is still required to make robots. So, the jobs will just shift from one domain to another.

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syedzunair   8/29/2012 1:50:43 AM
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Himanshugupta: 

Apart from the electronic waste another compelling issue with the extensive use of robots is the impact on human employment. Industries where robots have been deployed in manufacturing have led to the layoff of many workers.

I am not against the use of technology but I think human resource deployment should be considered before using robots. 

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Adeniji Kayode   8/29/2012 9:32:03 AM
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@SP,

you are right on that, same goes to  impact on power generation.

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Bots in distribution
Barbara Jorgensen   8/27/2012 10:03:33 AM
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Bots in warehouses are extremely cool, althugh a little creepy...I think for certain orders (standard lot-size, etc.) they can't be beat. For orders that have to be broken down and kits, though, I think there is still a fair amount of human intervention required. But the smarter automation gets, the more that will chnage as well

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Clairvoyant   8/27/2012 11:30:52 AM
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I saw a show last night on the Discovery channel about the massive Aalsmeer Flower Auction buildings. There is an automated rail system which will carry flowers to different areas of the buildings based on a barcode. The units know where they are in the rail system based on barcodes on the rails they are travelling on. It's pretty interesting stuff.

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Himanshugupta   8/27/2012 2:42:32 PM
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@Clairvoyant, indeed while watching extreme machines or any such engineer related program i am always amazed at the ingenuity of the machines. Industrial design and automation is interesting any time.

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nimantha.d   8/27/2012 11:31:00 AM
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Well I feel robots have already taken several steps towards automation. Its just a matter of fact where they take full control over the whole system  

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RFID and robots
jmcfarland   8/28/2012 4:28:25 PM
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KH Lloreda, Spain's largest household cleaning product manufacturer, is using robots (developed by Fanuc, one of the companies mentioned above) at its distribution warehouse.  When a customer order comes in, robots locate and pick up the products for the order and RFID verifies that the correct boxes have been selected and that they are loaded onto the correct trucks for delivery. The combination of robots and RFID has virtually eliminated the need for labor at the warehouse. It is definitely a very interesting application for both RFID and robots. You can read more in the case study.

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syedzunair   8/29/2012 2:10:01 AM
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jmcfarland: 

Robots can work most effectively for defined set of instructions like the scenario that you have mentioned. Combined with RFID robots are indeed doing a good job with hopefully lesser errors than before.

Unfortunately, the problem comes in when intuition is required for a decision. In those cases, human intervention is required to sort out things. Nevertheless, technologically it seems to be a good solution. 



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