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William K.
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William K.   3/3/2013 10:32:22 PM
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About the Apple crowds: I think that the Apple products are a much better value than any Microsoft product has ever been.

Consider the number of times that Apple has had to send out patches for buggy products. Not very many, are there. Now consider how many fixes get sent out to fix that other company's products. The numbers speak much louder than I ever could. I believe that it is dishonest to take people's money and not deliver the promised performance. If one is selling junk, then describe it truthfully as junk before selling it.

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Susan Fourtané   3/3/2013 11:13:22 AM
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William K., 

But don't you think that crowd manipulation is present almost everywhere rather than just in one company? 

". . . through marketing efforts and their large collection of resources that Microsoft is able to create a crowd hysteria type of effect and use that effect for their financial benefit. "

I am not taking any sides here. However, I believe that same can be said about many other companies. Anyone trying to sell a product or service is going to apply direct or indirectly some crowd manipulation. That's what marketing is all about, isn't it?

I am not saying that I agree with it either. It's one more characteristic of human behaviour in the times of massive consumerism that we are living.

Masses also line up at an Apple store every time there is a new iPhone. Crowd manipulation is some sort of invisible hypnosis, and not necessarily always used for the benefit of the crowd, as much as it benefits the one moving the strings of the puppets. 

-Susan   

William K.
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William K.   3/2/2013 7:35:45 PM
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What I mean is that through marketing efforts and their large collection of resources that Microsoft is able to create a crowd hysteria type of effect and use that effect for their financial benefit. This is similar to the effects that a very skilled orator could produce back in the era when people would actually pay serious attention to a public speaker. That doesn't happen much these days because many people are unable to focus their attention for any length of time.

But those people at MS have mastered the art of crowd dynamics and manipulation to the point that they have some folks eager to embrace whatever they choose to sell. As proof, look at all of the folks standing in line to buy the next release of each new operating system.Those lines prove the dkills at crowd manipulation.

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Susan Fourtané   3/1/2013 1:43:04 AM
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William K., 

"Just because a person is "the last man standing" does not mean anything except that they are anything other than a winning fighter."

I can't disagree with that. Certainly it's true. If all the companies in the world would play clean and ethical games everything would be better.

Then we have to wonder if the problem is of one sole company or if it is a generalized business attitude, which corresponds to the attitude of the whole global society.

Indeed, business ethics should be more inforced and promoted. 

 

"And, in our discussion about tablets versus non-hand-held computing, just because they would force "newthink" on everybody does not mean that everybody will embrace "newthink"."  Whynin the whole world should I choose to do the same thing that everybody else does, just because they are doing it?" 

I am of the first in supporting the idea of not doing something just because everyone else is doing it if what is in question is against your way of thinking, principles, etc.. 

But, I am not sure if I have clear your concept here. Do you think that they are forcing tablets on consumers? 

-Susan  

William K.
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William K.   2/28/2013 9:48:11 PM
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Microsoft has used skillful manipulation to get a huge market share and they have certainly made lots of money. And while a lot of the things that they have done over the years have increased the MS market share, they still sell products that would bring other companies a lot of criticism.

But what gains Microsoft has made are often at the expense of destroyed competitors. They have the resources to dump product at a loss until the competition can't survive by matching prices. They have done that with software many times in the past. 

So I would have to acknowledge that Microsoft has been a business success, but only by means of what I would assert are dishonorable and underhanded business practices. Just because a person is "the last man standing" does not mean anything except that they are anything other than a winning fighter. 

And, in our discussion about tablets versus non-hand-held computing, just because they would force "newthink" on everybody does not mean that everybody will embrace "newthink". 

Whynin the whole world should I choose to do the same thing that everybody else does, just because they are doing it?

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Susan Fourtané   2/28/2013 12:15:03 AM
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William K., 

 "making a product a big success takes more than just making the product,"

Yes, I know. But don't you think that Microsoft has what it takes to make a product sucessful? 

-Susan

William K.
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William K.   2/26/2013 8:53:31 PM
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Susan, of course, you are correct. but making a product a big success takes more than just making the product, even if you are Steve Jobs. The push to make a product into a business success is not simple, and it requires constantly telling folks how everybody else loves it. And any CEO who did not constantly remark about the fantastic future, when everybody will have their product, would quite soon be evicted from office per the demands of the stock holders.

So no matter what the product is the predictions will always be that in three years everybody in the whole world will be purchasing them no matter what the price. 

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Susan Fourtané   2/26/2013 11:21:33 AM
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William K.,

Microsoft created the Surface already.

-Susan 

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mfbertozzi   2/11/2013 7:16:47 AM
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Well, it is another great point to discuss. We have assisted several times to the events you have outlined: incredible predictions in terms of revenues and footprint on the market, despite to what was really happened. I am wondering if there is a universal and fair model for making CEOs responsible of results achieved; it seems, that model runs for collecting huge bonus, but doesn't run properly in case of negative impacts or it happened only recently those responsibilities have been applied to.

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t.alex   2/10/2013 9:02:18 PM
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Microsoft surface and windows 8 actually are good bridging between tablets and PCs. The software and the interface of windows 8 look quite the same on tablet on and on PC. There is high chance hybrid devices will be growing and attracting attention

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