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Anna young
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Re: Shades of grey
Anna young   10/29/2012 4:24:47 AM
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Ashish, "Best service at the lowest cost"? That's what the global economy has been reduced to. Yet we ignore the question of the social implications of our pursuit of the most profit for whoever can get it at the expense of everybody else. Where will it end and how long before our society begins to count the cost?

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Re: comeuppances
chipmonk   10/28/2012 4:31:57 PM
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Bolaji :

Glad to hear that you found out about good old CH and their attitudes. I spent a few years there living and working at a famous Lab there. The Swiss are very conscious of their smallness, and ALL citizens ( men ) have to do compulsory military service.

Since the fall of the USSR, we in the US has been fat, dumb and happy while Wall St. has gone on a Global rampage ( the so called Globalization ).

People here have not yet realized that China is simply too big even for the US and hungry. Unlike the Swiss, here in the US we are not yet insecure about China even though they have been eating our Lunch ( manufacturing, technology, investments, you name it ).

Partly its because the Wall St. financed Media keeps people confused about the threat. Its also because companies like Apple are doing too much of a good thing - by bringing out every 6 months Pacifiers and Mind altering drugs ( for thats what Smartphones and the Net have become ) Made in China.

Most people are distracted by Toys and Gizmos till it would be too late.

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Re: Shades of grey
chipmonk   10/28/2012 4:14:20 PM
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Ashish :

What is your definition of Mercantilist ? Contrary to your claims neither Germany nor China are Mercantilist as they make sure that a very large portion of their GDP is based on Manufacturing and not pure trade ( exchange of goods ).. 

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Re: Shades of grey
tech4people   10/27/2012 5:30:47 AM
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Bolaji,

Not always.

And even if it does;so what?

Is'nt that what Capitalism and Free-markets are all about?

Achieving the Best Service at the lowest Costs.

Regards

Ashish.

Bolaji Ojo
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Re: Shades of grey
Bolaji Ojo   10/26/2012 6:57:33 PM
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You suggest consumers fight with their wallets? That road ends right back in outsourceland!

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Re: Shades of grey
tech4people   10/26/2012 2:10:20 PM
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Bolaji,

You actually believe Governments have the best Interests of Citizens at hand(In this debate of For or Against Outsourcing)???

In my opinion,Most Governments(Globally) have already sold out to the Highest bidder .

We are living in Crony Capitalist Infested Times.

Regards

Ashish.

 

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Re: comeuppances
tech4people   10/26/2012 2:00:25 PM
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Bolaji,

Honestly I don't know know whether to Agree or Disagree with your Statement here[Part of me was to do both!!!].

I prefer looking at it from the Perspective of the Consumer.

Let the Consumer decide whats best for them and take the appropriate course of action.

I am not sure if you are familiar with the NIMBY phenomenon-Not in My Backyard.

This phenomenon is used to justify opposition to New Nuclear Power Plants,Refineries,Major Manufacturing Plants,etc in The US(and Increasingly Globally also).

What are you Gonna do,if the Consumer/Residents of a Country refuse to permit such and such plant to go up there?

You are left with no choice but to take it overseas!!!

Regards

Ashish.

 

Bolaji Ojo
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Re: Shades of grey
Bolaji Ojo   10/26/2012 12:23:17 PM
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I don't agree outsourcing is being unfairly knocked. I think companies move plants based on what they believe is best for investors. That's absolutely their right. Governments also have a duty to do what's best for their citizens, otherwise why have a government.

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Re: comeuppances
Bolaji Ojo   10/26/2012 12:20:44 PM
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Ashish, I attended a conference recently on manufacturing and how Germany can keep its role in the world manufacturing chain. During the conference I asked a presenter why governments shouldn't get involved in influencing where manufacturing is done in the world and he got concerned that I was advocating for "controlled economy."

That was the last thing on my mind but we often naively believe we can leave everything to the "free" economic system. It isn't always that free as we all know. My concern has always been that there's a social price for every government action or inaction. If we don't "encourage" local manufacturing and local industrial growth, we hollow out our society and leave people to the mercies of entrepreneurs.

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Re: Shades of grey
tech4people   10/26/2012 11:15:35 AM
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Bolaji,

I am assuming you are referring to the Mercantilist nature of some economies like Germany or China today.

Well then,let me explain how things work in a Downturn.

Its those Mercantilist economies which get hit the hardest,simply because they have shown ZERO effort to develop their Domestic Economies.

Its not a sustainable formula that will work for everybody in the Long-run.

Regards

Ashish.

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