US Sends Mixed Signals on Counterfeit Fight

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DesertHack
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DesertHack   12/23/2011 9:18:50 AM
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I think you missed the point Kunmi,  It is illegal to buy couneterfeit products.  The government could be sued by Cisco.  Another point is that the products can be a security risk.

If they want to save money then they should buy a lesser costing router from another vendor.

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Kunmi   10/30/2011 10:57:27 PM
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Recession has caused a lot damages to decision makings in our societies. I do not blame the Gov for buying the cheap stuff. Nationally speaking, people are forced to look for the cheap products.

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Mr. Roques   10/28/2011 3:26:25 PM
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Unless you're that lucky customer whose equipment has never failed. But you are right, with things as important as this one, the risks are too high.

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Diane Trommer   9/20/2011 4:35:08 PM
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You know, Ariella, I am not sure what the standards are for making that judgement call. My guess is there is a very lengthy and convoluted explanation somewhere in the FAR (federal acqusition regulation) that is also vaque enough to allow buyers to essentially make their own calls. Which leads to another interesting question - I wonder what kind of qualifications a person must have to get a job buying critical components for highly-sensitive defense and security equipment...hmmm.

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Kunmi   9/20/2011 10:51:46 AM
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It is natural that people tend to jump at cheap materials to save the cost but in most cases, we end up spending double. This is also common to institutions where budget constraints are the issues. When an electronic components are messing up and quality and integrity are compromised, we tend to start looking for the upgrade or replacement. This is where counterfeit rocks and robs us of our resources. It is really mixed signals on counterfeit fight. 

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Kunmi   9/20/2011 9:31:57 AM
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It puzzles me when we compare the counterfeit electronic components to generic drugs. It does not apply because the generic Pharmaceutical and Consumer health companies will follow all applicable quality standards that governs the original. They can not compromise the expected data and the desired result. You have asked a very good Question. Why is is that we spend more money to buy certain electronic equipment and at times finding something that mimiks it? Counterfiet will always be what it is but generic will always be the exact, precise or more effective than the orignal

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Ariella   9/20/2011 8:53:42 AM
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That's interesting, Diane. How do they establish what is the lowest "technically acceptable" price? I'm also wondering if there ever is the possibility of "generics" in electronics. Generics are used all the time for prescriptions, and generic or store brand good are sometimes the same or even better quality than national brand ones. Is it possible for generic componenets to be made to function as well as brand name ones?

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Diane Trommer   9/20/2011 8:46:04 AM
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Yeah, the interesting thing is that despite what we hear about $100 hammers, in my research, it appears that most government procurement is actually pressured to take the lowest bid. Only recently have there been changes that allow for consideration of the quality of the source and the likelihood of receiving the goods as as quote and on time. They call this "Lowest price technically acceptable" source selection.

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Diane Trommer   9/20/2011 8:40:55 AM
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I guess I understand the temptation, but for me this is one of those times when there really is no grey area (no pun intended). The risk of sourcing from these non-franchised suppliers is just too high to peg on "what ifs." IMHO. 

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Mr. Roques   9/19/2011 4:42:47 PM
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That's what makes battling counterfeit so hard, "what if" this product is just as the original and only half the price! ... "what if" those routers do the same but for a fraction of the cost. 

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