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chipmonk
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Hilarious Re: Rand
chipmonk   10/24/2012 12:50:16 PM
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It is pathetic to see you semi-literate people oscillate between the two extremes of Marx and Rand - both foreign Agitators and nothing in between ! 

If you want to understand their firebrand extremism / AgitProp, you need to first read up on their lives and motivations. Ayn Rand was a Russian Jew emigre and practiced a pretty licentious lifestyle after moving to NYC including snaring acolytes like Alan Greenspan. All our 401 (k)s have suffered from Greenspan's laissez faire tolerance of "irrational exuberance" by Wall St. shysters. Ayn Rand is at least partly responsible FOR IT.

It is a sign of America's corn-fed provincialism and the naivete of our first-generation college grads from State U.s / Community Colleges that they fall for Jewish AgitProp in Academia while missing the core of American values that made us great through the 1960s.

That is using hard work and application of science to convert our ( ill - begotten ) natural abundance into the mass production of rugged products and then distribute them at very low markup. These are very German virtues ( who made the Mid-West the industrial power house it used to be ), which is why Germany ( and not the Brits ), keep doing so well in Manufactiuring against any comers.

Since WW II, using real or contrived claims of persecution a trading / speculative community have taken over and gradually taken control of distribution as well as Academia / Media. Having surreptitiously carried out these coups they have turned off the productive capacity of America in order to conslidate their hold on the economy and next create artificial shortage and drive up prices.

Outsourcing is just a part of that scheme.

It is not an accident that it is Heinrich Kissinger who has been the most active Agent of Communist China and have advocated for outsourcing to China at least since the 1980s. His minions have spread through Wall St. and influenced Corporate boardrooms by luring them with the bonanza from China.

To their early converts, that bonanza never came and once great Electronics Co.s like Motorola lost their shirt in China ( technology pirated, wafer fabs hijacked ) and were destroyed.

We need to understand that Outsourcing to China is fundamentally different from same to Japan, Taiwan etc. because China is huge and nuclear armed. It has pretensions of restoring its past importance by pirating US technology and Wall St. is co-operating with them. They are investing in China in preference to the US because of China's lower labor cost, transferring US technology to make the Chinese more capable even though it damages US competitiveness.

To the average US consumer outsourcing saves at most 10 % over US manufacture because the Distributors in US & Wall St  keep most of the 30 to 40 % cost reduction due to cheaper Chinese labor. Then they invest a part of that loot to buy politicians to prevent any halt to our suicidal Outsourcing to China and spread lies through the media including "Free lance Writers".

For the last 15 years China has run a trade surplus of $ 350 billion per year over us. But the real loss when you factor in the damage done to US economy as a result of outsourcing to China ( loss of Taxes, unemployment benefit, having to pay 2 or 3x more for commodities like oil, grain and beef due to higher consumption by the Chinese who we have made rich by outsourcing !, higher Defense budget to block Chinese delusions of grandeur,.. ).

"Free Market" is a slogan that does not work if it becomes one - sided and makes the whole system unstable.

Even England, the birthplace of Adam Smith, became anti Free-market when its pitfalls became obvious. A suggestion for those who are "historically challenged" -  read up on what the Brits did in the 18 th century when their trade deficit with China shot up because they were importing far too much Tea.

 

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Re: Rand
Ariella   10/24/2012 8:17:20 AM
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@Susan I wouldn't consider it self-esteem so much as a devotion to self-actualization and all it entails. Her protagonists are more concerned with realizing their visions in design, industry, and business than in amassing a fortune. They don't make money by brokering and investing but by creating and producing. Their satisfaction came from seeing what they did put to use -- and the money was really secondary, though she stressed that profit is essential for selfishness -- and thereby the economy --to flourish and was vehemently opposed to communism.  Of course, one doesn't have to agree with all her values, but Aristotle supposedly said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

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Follow the money
claus   10/24/2012 3:11:21 AM
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It looks like that you forgot to follow the money. First chech the wealth distribution before arguing that profits are at a "barely sustainable level". Apple has more than $117 billion in cache. You could easily pay a US worker instead of supporting the biggest legal slave factory. For the moment the problem is just greed.

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Re: Rand
Susan Fourtané   10/24/2012 2:44:23 AM
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Ariella, 

But Ayn Rand's argument on Selfishness is quite controversial. She believed that Selfishness is synonym with self-esteem. I tend to think that keeping a balance in everything is always the right answer. I have my doubts that Selfishness can be considered a Virtue, as she put it. 

-Susan 

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Re: Refresher course--thank you!
SP   10/23/2012 9:50:35 PM
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@Barbara, completely agree with your comments. There is a vast difference between offshoring and outsourcing. Many times political parties just make use of people's ignorance or limitations.



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I concur
_hm   10/23/2012 8:04:41 PM
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I concur with Author. But another aspect of this is very poor quality. I prefer to get good quality product and pay more for Made in USA products.

 

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Re: Rand
AzmatMalik   10/23/2012 7:57:59 PM
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Of course she wouldn't think of selfishness as greed. in fact I think selfishness is fine, the limiting consideration is 'decency'. And that is often thought a weakness. I am selfish when I do 'good', as I enjoy the feeling that comes from helping others. But THAT is not 'greed'. 

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Re: Rand
Ariella   10/23/2012 7:22:10 PM
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Ayn Rand believed that selfishness was a postivie force. I don't think she saw it as synonymous with greed, though. 

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Re: Underlying problem is Quarterly focus on performance
Ariella   10/23/2012 7:21:05 PM
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@Azmatmalik "Coming back to ground level: when outsourcing one needs to be sure that the lower costs are not just teaser rates, and that one factors in the 'cost' of loss of flexibility and control." Excellent point!

AzmatMalik
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Re: Moral Defense of Capitalism
AzmatMalik   10/23/2012 4:43:08 PM
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To be intellectually honest, as all 'debaters' [not politicians,-)] must, please also review some counter arguments to the genius of Rand.  

One start: noblesoul.com/orc/critics/index.html

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