Counterfeit Parts Alarm US Military

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Brian75137
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Re: Record keeping re counterfeit parts
Brian75137   1/3/2012 10:46:32 PM
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@TTT:

This gives credence to wanting to use an SCD all the more.  Unless you have complete confidence in all of the parameters of the part you propose to use in some circuitry, then you might as well be whistling in the wind.  You MUST know everything about the parts you'll be using including the knowldege that they are genuine parts with a vendor's guarantee, not only the parameters of the part.

When you write an SCD, you are telling the vendor EXACTLY what you want, and as part of the SCD (Specification Control Drawing) you might also write another type of SCD (Source Controlled Drawing). I know that this is somewhat confusing, but the acronym SCD really is used for both.  By controlling the source of the parts, you use your knowledge of that part, including who makes it, and who is the reliable company from whom you purchase it.  If that source isn't willing to give a written guarantee that the part is genuine, then you might think of removing their name from your approved parts list.  Remember what I have previously stated, "it's all about money" and you'd be surprised what happens when the possibility of losing a sale occurrs.

I know that Element14 is a very reliable company and have caused very few problems with the parts which they provide to the community.  All I'm saying, is to be cautious and absolutely sure you're getting the exact part you want.  "Cover your A--"

Ken:  Please do not take this as a slam - your company's name was the one used by TTT.  I was trying to be generic and I cannot conceive of Newark/element14 not being willing to assure any company that the parts you provide are genuine to be best of you knowledge, and that you'd replace any which were not as advertised.

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Re: Record keeping re counterfeit parts
Brian75137   1/3/2012 10:31:53 PM
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Bolaji:

Would you please send me your email address.  I have a letter I'd like to send to you, which Douglas, Steve Terry and I have put together, on which you might be interested.

Brian75137@yahoo.com

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Re: Record keeping re counterfeit parts
Bolaji Ojo   1/3/2012 10:06:39 PM
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Brian, Counterfeit products have also entered the channel even through companies that provide written warranties for their products. This has occurred via returns and some companies unsuspectingly have passed on such products, legitimizing their presence in the supply chain. Asking for guarantees is important as you noted and it does help greatly but it is not foolproof. The move to stop it must be coordinated.

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TTT   1/3/2012 3:03:12 PM
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I agree, only problem is that the wording of Element 14/Farnell conditions of sale seem to suggest that they don't offer warranty for military sales. As Ken is the blogger perhaps he could clarify on behalf of Element 14 ?

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Re: Record keeping re counterfeit parts
Brian75137   1/3/2012 12:36:14 PM
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@TTT:

This illustrates my previous comments that if there are any problms with obtaining parts with all of your requirements, your choice is to NOT purchase from anyone who won't back up what they're selling to you and you should have a Specification Control Drawing (SCD) for any parts for which you might have a problem or special need.  With an SCD, you are able to tell the supplier EXACTLY what you need and want.  If the suppllier sends you parts which do not meet the requirements of yor drawing, you now have recourse and can return the unwanted parts for credit, which you might not be able to do without an SCD.  You must control what you are receiving, and the best way to do this is with an SCDF.

Look at it from the supplier's point of view - if he's crooked, i.e. he won't back up the parts he ships to you, then you have to refuse to buy from him, and he loses money.  If he's not crooked, then his motivation is to make money by supplying you exactly (per your SCD) what you want and need, thus setting the stage for further business from you and making money for him.  Remember, it's all about money - dont give him any if he won't supply what you want, but you must tell him exactly what it is that you want and need.  Doing this over the phone, just doesn't work - it must be in writing so that there is no misunderstanding.  The SCD is the best way to do this.

I know that writing an SCD is costly, in terms of time and money, but that's much less money than you'll spend to fix a problem which occurs if you receive the wrong part.  Once again, I can't emphasize too much that it's all about money!

Regards.

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Re: Record keeping re counterfeit parts
Brian75137   1/3/2012 12:19:45 PM
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@TTT:

That's easy to solve - DON'T buy from such a supplier.

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TTT   1/3/2012 4:06:57 AM
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According to my understanding some distributors do not even provide warranty in contract that the new parts they sell are suitable for military applications. In my humble opinion this is a more pressing issue than fake components.

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Record keeping re counterfeit parts
Brian75137   1/2/2012 8:46:59 PM
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@Jaden:

I want you to know that this problem is rampant in the US miltary also.  Ther have been 3900 parts, recently, which have diagnosed as counterfeit.  These parts have found their way into Army, NAvy and Air Force circuitry.  As a result, a bill has been introduced into the Senate regarding this problem and the need for an adequate resolution to it.  We at Components Engineering are suggesting a solution for this problem to the government and hope to be able to move forward on it shortly.  While this effort will, primarily, be oriented towards the parts used by the US military, there will be a significant "trickle down" into the commercial market as well.  We will be writing typical Specification Control Drawings (SCDs) for the Military, amongst other things,

 

nd these can be used by those of the commercial marketplace as guidlines for procuring parts.  Keep you eyes on our website for further developments on this topic.

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kmanchen   12/30/2011 10:19:09 AM
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Thanks for the comment. You are probably right. Supply chain communication is poor so there is a bit of "buyer beware". It is heightened by the ease of internet selling. A counterfeiter can easily just change his internet name and address. No easy solution for buyers, just be vigilant. 

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TTT   12/27/2011 9:10:18 AM
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Physician heal thyself

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