Counterfeit Parts: It's Worse Than We Thought

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kmanchen
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Re: China responsible?
kmanchen   7/2/2012 6:11:31 PM
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Good points Barbara. It is important that factory rejects and distributor scrap parts not wind up exported and salvaged. A number of large global OEMs are requiring their authorized distributors to confirm that customer returns and scrap inventory are appropriately handled and destroyed. We use "e-stewards" recognized electronics waste disposers who are required not to export, and to submit to third party audits. The EPA also encourages electronic recyclers to meet vountary R2 standards.

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Barbara Jorgensen   7/2/2012 5:43:35 PM
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I should have guessed that our desire to push our waste off on someone else would mean there are no controls on exports. Yet, aren't there all kinds of prohibitions about exporting new technology? When IHS reports that something like 80 percent of all counterfiets are obsolete parts, we should be worried about securing our "old technology" as well as our new. (Also, what won't pass Intel's performance specs could still be better than anything else out there. So even factory rejects should be considered.)

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kmanchen   7/2/2012 5:15:26 PM
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The problem with electronic waste disposal in the USA is that there is no national law prohibiting export. There is a proposed federal law (HR 2284)but it hasn't been able to get out of committee:

http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-46810/l/us--federal-electronics-legislation).

So far 26 states have enacted their own laws on electronic waste disposal in their states, but only the federal government can regulate exports. Most cost effective way to dispose is to send it to low cost disposers who often export it for reuse or salvaging.

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Eldredge   6/30/2012 9:16:25 AM
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Where w ecan implement cotrols over the disposal of electronic components we should do so. I assume thet part of the problem comes from the disposal process at the sites where these components are produced.

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Barbara Jorgensen   6/29/2012 2:05:13 PM
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Ken--thanks for backing the perspective I've had for awhile. If we have identified factory "seconds" or scrap parts as the problem, wouldn't the solution be to make sure the parts are destroyed? Clearly, the majority of the parts aren't being churned off of fabs in China (or elsewhere) originating as counterfiets. They are real parts, just bad ones. Instead, we penalize the buyers of these parts, rather than keep them from getting into the supply chain in the first place.

Obsolete parts are harder to manage becuase they started out as the real deal. This issue is more difficult and definitely deserves the attention it is getting in terms of solutions such as DNA.

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owen   6/29/2012 11:20:12 AM
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@kmanchen,

Yes, yes and yes. I couldn't agree more. BTW, you might be interested, if you aren't aware of it already, in Henry Livingstons' "Counterfeit Parts" website. It's updated regularly with his comments and related links. I highly recommend it to all interested in the topic.

http://counterfeitparts.wordpress.com/

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kmanchen   6/29/2012 10:37:12 AM
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No question China could and should do more. But aren't we also at fault for not regulating the export of electronic waste? Scrap components are salvaged and reused, frequently in counterfeiting. Shouldn't the DOD also do more? Doesn't relying on the unauthorized independent vendors for obsolete parts invite problems?.

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Eldredge   6/28/2012 9:41:11 PM
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Are you alarmed by the increase in counterfeit parts? Are you taking any actions to avoid counterfeit parts? Is China really the culprit?


  Of course they are the culprit, at least in large measure. And they have willing accomplices who don't want to perform the due diligence required to detect and eliminate couterfeit parts.

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syedzunair   6/27/2012 3:54:46 PM
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Owen, thanks for sharing the link. Douglas has done a wonderful job indeed.

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owen   6/26/2012 6:13:16 PM
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Since, a lot of debate is going around these days on how to stop these products from entering the legit supply chain the DoD can come up with a technological solution to this problem...

@syedzunair, You may be interested in Douglas Alexander's article published today:
Calm Down: Counterfeiting Can Be Stopped 



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