Ready or Not, RoHS 2 Takes Effect January 2

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Ready or Not, RoHS 2 Takes Effect January 2
SP   12/27/2012 8:59:19 PM
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I was Project Managing the ROHS compliance for Motorola way back in 2006. Great to see its getting more structured. Unless its made mandatory for all electronic manufacturers this battle is still to won. Also the mechanical parts manufacturers, screws, bolts or anything needed to finish your end product must be made to undergo ROHS compliance.

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Re: Ready or Not, RoHS 2 Takes Effect January 2
TaimoorZ   12/30/2012 3:40:14 PM
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" Also the mechanical parts manufacturers, screws, bolts or anything needed to finish your end product must be made to undergo ROHS compliance."

@SP: That's what I was wondering too. Considering the damage to the environment, the mechanical components are equally dangerous and in any electronic gadget there's a combination of electronic and mechanical parts. I wonder why they have not yet come under scrutiny and why their manufacturing processes have not been examined.


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Industry Ready?
Bolaji Ojo   12/28/2012 7:33:08 AM
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Ken, The industry has faced similar deadlines in the past and seemed generally to have fared rather well. We didn't have a raft of prosecution of non-compliant companies. Does this mean we have this next one nailed down too?

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Effectiveness of RoHS?
_hm   12/28/2012 12:27:05 PM
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We all agree RoHS is very good. However, is there a survey and analysis for its effectivness by end results? How much it has helped for human helath? How much it has helped environmentally? What other objectives are achieved by this?

 

 

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Re: Effectiveness of RoHS?
Bolaji Ojo   12/28/2012 12:49:43 PM
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_HM, Your search for empirical support for the positive effects of compliance with RoHS and other environmental do-good laws, rules and regulations most likely will end in disappointment. These are the rules you follow just because Big Daddy says "Do it or else . . . "

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Re: Effectiveness of RoHS?
_hm   12/29/2012 8:43:59 AM
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At some point we need to stop extending RoHS further. This due to fact that it is expensive. Why not they employ RoHS for military hardware? Why are they so special and should not they be equally responsible?

 

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Re: Effectiveness of RoHS?
hash.era   12/30/2012 11:18:13 AM
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Cost is a major factor true _hm but I feel if it can do good do not worry about the cost. Catch up on your ROI

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Economic Impact
TaimoorZ   12/30/2012 3:42:32 PM
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@Ken: What do you think will be the economic impact of RoHS 2? Is it likely to hurt the manufacturing companies? Considering the time when many countries are looking to bring manufacturing back to their own countries to give a boost to their economies, is it a good time to have this law enacted and revised?

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Re: Economic Impact
Bolaji Ojo   12/30/2012 10:58:03 PM
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The cost won't be very high and the impact is very likely to be limiited. These rules aren't supposed to hurt enterprises and regulators working with business bodies to ensure the negative impacts are limited or spread out over some time.

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Re: Economic Impact
Jacob   12/31/2012 3:30:48 AM
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Bolaji, I think change in the existing thing or product line may end up in shell out more from the production/company side. But I agrees that for a long run, it may be negligible.

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Re: Economic Impact
Anna young   12/31/2012 8:48:04 PM
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 Bolaji you may be right, the cost impact of RoHS 2 may be minimal, as mentioned by you. But we won't know the full impact until later on the year. I think.

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Re: Economic Impact
TaimoorZ   1/9/2013 12:02:46 AM
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@Bolaji: I think the government bodies have to work closely with regulators to find out ways of fulfilling the requirements for RoHS without having any impact on the industry productivity or cost. They might look to find ways of softening the restrictions or delaying the implementation of the regulations.

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RoHS 2
Jacob   12/31/2012 3:27:47 AM
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Ken, I think the RoHS 2 is expanding its wings to all electrical and electronic equipments. Most of the devices are covering under its umbrella and ofcource its good when concerned with human health. From business perspective there is no doubt that companies has to shell out more to meet such laws.

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Re: RoHS 2
Anna young   12/31/2012 9:57:59 AM
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 From business perspective there is no doubt that companies has to shell out more to meet such laws.

 I agree Jacob, RoHS 2 will affect wider range of other business sectors, thereby adding to manufacturing costs as some suggests. I think the environmental impact and benefits of this directive outweigh any additional cost to an organisation. Don't you think?

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Re: RoHS 2
_hm   12/31/2012 10:50:24 AM
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@Anna: Incremental cost of all these approval agencies becomes significant part of product cost. And relatively speaking, they are not appropriate. Electronics industry obeys more stringent agency approvals as compare to other industry e.g. auto.

 

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Re: RoHS 2
Anna young   12/31/2012 6:05:54 PM
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hm good point and I understand your view. However, these rules are here to stay. Failure to comply will attract fines or some forms of punishments. What changes would you like to see?

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Re: RoHS 2
kmanchen   1/2/2013 9:13:15 AM
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Anna -

Happy New Year! You asked what I would like to change about the new rule. I had to think about that. Only one thing comes to mind.

The CE mark requirement for RoHS 2 impacted finished goods seems like overkill to me. There was concern over poor compliance and ineffective enforcement. Adding the CE mark requirement definitely makes it easier to enforce but will be costly for finished goods manufacturers. Other than that it seems like RoHS 2 is a natural progression. It is making electronics safer and freer (is that a word?) of hazardous substances.

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Re: RoHS 2
Jacob   1/2/2013 2:09:44 AM
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Ann, any change in existing system can cause additional costs to the companies and it’s a onetime investment. But at the same time, it can address many of the issues facing by employees while handling such chemicals and hence a corresponding impacts to the environment too.

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RoHS 2
kmanchen   12/31/2012 3:49:30 PM
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Anna, Jacob, Bolaji, TalimoorZ, etc. -

So many good comments! Yes, the RoHS directive has indeed resulted in safer electronics. Yes, RoHS 2 compliance will require more time and money. While the product categories (and substances) covered remain the same until 2014, supplier obligations will increase on January 2:

*manufacturers will need to provide updated (RoHS 2) declarations of compliance,

*manufacturers will need to provide technical documentation of RoHS 2 compliance on request,

*finished goods manufacturers will have to assure CE mark compliance, and

*components, spare parts, cables and development kits must be RoHS 2 compliant.

The CE mark requirement gives the EU more leverage to go after non-compliant suppliers. It remains to be seen how aggressive the EU will be in enforcing these new requirements. It also remains to be seen how ready manufacturers are to meet these new obligations.

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Re: RoHS 2
Jacob   1/2/2013 2:13:45 AM
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"While the product categories (and substances) covered remain the same until 2014, supplier obligations will increase on January 2:"

Kmanchen, thanks for the details. So you mean that companies can continue with this existing set up till 2014.

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Re: RoHS 2
kmanchen   1/2/2013 9:34:05 AM
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Jacob - The products covered are the same but we are spending more time on compliance.

We are now providing RoHS 2 declarations of compliance to customers. We've alerted our product suppliers that we'll need technical documentation of compliance whenever requested by a customer. We are also reviewing our product line to ensure our products are compliant, especially development kits.

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Re: RoHS 2
Jacob   1/4/2013 2:14:42 AM
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Kmanchen, is just documentation is sufficient or are you going to a supervisory level to cross check how they are going to meet the RoHS 2. I think in initial level, there should be some monitory bodies to make sure they are adhere to such compliances.

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Euro lead
FLYINGSCOT   1/1/2013 7:50:50 AM
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It is encouraging that many other countries are following Europe's lead.  I hope they are enforcing it too and not simply paying it lip service as that puts Europe at a cost disadvantage.

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Wondering...
Barbara Jorgensen   1/2/2013 3:02:12 PM
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Hi Ken,

Have you seen any data on RoHS's success to date? For example, how mch less lead there is, less waste, etc., than in comparable years?

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Re: Wondering...
kmanchen   1/3/2013 10:35:22 AM
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Barbara - I haven't seen any figures on the sucess of RoHS or the impact of RoHS 2. The EU had an outside group conduct a ROHS 2 impact assessment. They just released their report:  http://rohs.biois.com/announcements-1/finalreport. Might find something there.

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Re: Wondering...
Barbara Jorgensen   1/3/2013 4:45:20 PM
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Thanks Ken! I remember when all of this was coming up the first time and I found the amount of lead in electronics solders was minuscule. Although RoHS is the right thing to do, measuring its success via lead levels probably won't be an indicator. The lead already in the ground continues to seep, I believe. Maybe measuring other substances will be a better baseline.

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Ready or Not, RoHS 2 Takes Effect January
garyk   1/3/2013 5:10:51 PM
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This is all good INFORMATION.

I would like to see reliability data, some failure analysis. We keep our phones for 1-2 years then we replace them or the service provider replaces the broken phone. Computers get repaired or replaced after a couple years. Medical equipment could be another question, how long should Medical last?

 

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Re: Ready or Not, RoHS 2 Takes Effect January
kmanchen   1/3/2013 5:53:23 PM
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Gary - Good question. I don't have any specific data but removing hazardous substances typically changes performance. An example is lead-free solder. It works but is not as effective over the same range of conditions. Same for less hazardous fire retardants. It is a tradeoff as removing hazardous substances eliminates health and waste disposal concerns, but often affects product performance.

Medical equipment will not be covered by RoHS until 2014. The effects of removing RoHS regulated substances won't be apparent until then.  

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Re: Ready or Not, RoHS 2 Takes Effect January
Bolaji Ojo   1/3/2013 6:24:50 PM
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That depends on which part of the globe and the efficiency of the system, including power consumption. What's being junked in the West is new elsewhere!



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