Names Can Be Phony, Too

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JADEN
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Re: Names
JADEN   7/25/2011 12:10:46 AM
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There are names and there is a name, names could faked while a name is certified.  Independent pose more risk except if authorise or certify is attached.

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Anna young   7/23/2011 2:12:28 PM
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Dawn, An old English adage says: "You don't throw out the baby with the bath water." Somewhere along the way the electronics supply chain seems to have agreed it is better to ignore this maxim in the rush towards being "perfect." Independent distributors, or whatever name they are called, obviously provide a service. Why don't we review those services and use it then keep an eye on the faults. There are obviously faults with any other group within the industry but I don't see anyone saying, for instance, that franchised distributors need to go away because OEMs can buy directly from component makers!

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FLYINGSCOT   7/23/2011 7:12:03 AM
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I am not a big fan of name changing just for the sake of it.  As a consumer I get tired of the same old fluff sold under a different name. I know people in the business of selling approved pre-owned certified cars and quite frankly these can be a joke.  However there is definitely a good case for using approved/authorized/certified etc. distributors when that product absolutely must work in an application.  Examples could be found in medical, aerospace or public transport applications.  In less critical applications independents play a great role in offering the customer better choice, flexibility and keener pricing which overall is a good thing for the consumer.

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ElectronicSupplyChainSolutions   7/22/2011 3:40:58 PM
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Mark,

You make a great argument and I love the analogy to unauthorized beef. In our world of politically correctness you are correct that everyone is looking to reinvent themselves as they keep moving the cheese. We should however beware of those who can buy their way to prominence. I recently had a customer confide in me that he was duped by the credentials of his supplier. As he explained being an  ERAI member required his supplier to pay the subscription and not be reported. He bought military parts from an IDEA member only to find less than one third of their membership had an AS9120 certificate. We are a member of the ERAI who post possible suspect parts and have the highest regard for the work the IDEA administration staff has done for the betterment of their independent members however, certification  of its members by itself may provide a layer of assurance that may not protect the customer. Attending a book reading on religion does not make someone a strict practitioner.

As a member of the SAE G-19 for the past two years I have worked with members of IDEA, ERAI, test houses, independent and franchised distributors. Prime contractors, contract manufactures and those from legal and governmental agencies are also in attendance. The committee is chaired by members of NASA as well as people outside the USA.

The purpose and goal of all involved is to safeguard and protect the supply chain throughout the world. Our focus has been to adopt a standard that meet the needs of all who participate in the electronic supply chain. The knee jerk reaction by many companies to only buy from franchised or authorized I believe will change. The ISO9001 and AS9120 third party certification is currently governed by ANAB. These quality standards do not address counterfeiting and having one does not guarantee safety.

My company was one of the first to achieve AS9120 and after 8 aerospace audits we are still formulating the extent of what we shall do in house as inspection and what shall be 3rd party to mitigate counterfeits. My hope is that the new SAE standard that addresses the requirements for independent distribution shall be embraced by the electronics community and lessen the name labels you discussed.

 

Your term certified distributor may become a reality as we look to ANAB to oversee third party certification of both quality and counterfeit risk mitigation.

PS. A special thanks to my fellow G-19 members and all those who have contributed in the battle to combatcounterfeits.

Matthew Heaphy III

ESCS President

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Kunmi   7/22/2011 1:59:35 PM
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In agreement with you, independent distributors have a great place in the supply chain. They are of great value in the market place because of packaging and distribution cost to major manufacturers. It is cheaper for the big companies to use them and they make the products more readily available and cheaper to the consumer. Name or no name they carry the same quality product of the same component and value. My suggestion is to verify their certification and to perform quality control and quality assurance of the products.

kunmi

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Dawn Gluskin   7/22/2011 11:54:07 AM
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Hi Mark,

It is great to see another independent on here fighting the good fight.  I like the angle you took with it -- excellent points.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this important subject.

-Dawn Gluskin

SolTec Electronics

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Tvotapka   7/22/2011 10:46:06 AM
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Great article on independents. The supply chain has certainly evolved and we have to be clear on its various segments, particularly in quality-critical components. My advice - ask the distributor for its certifications. Some will make them readily available on their sites along with links to key certifiying bodies including IDEA and one you didn't mention - ERAI. Here's the link on that group:

http://www.erai.com/

 

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Jay_Bond   7/22/2011 10:03:08 AM
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This is a great article that brings up very interesting points. No matter how many times you want to rename a product or company, it's still the same component. I think independent distributors definitely have a place in the supply chain. The fact that they are not labeled a certain way is a formality that doesn't change the fact that they carry the same quality products. There should be some sort of certification that might help ease buyer’s minds. As for counterfeits, we all know they have ways of slipping into the supply chain even with the best of authorized distributors.

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Re: A few questions
MarkofWorldMicro   7/22/2011 8:53:32 AM

Great questions...The supply chain in its historical format has only allowed for three paths to obtain product- factory direct, franchise distribution, and brokers. This methodology has worked well but the industry has matured and as a result a new class of distributors has emerged to fill in the gaps that these three sourcing channels cannot provide. A simple summary would be to say that Independent Distributors provide solutions for the 20% of parts that cause 80% of the headaches. This includes the shortages, obsoletes, excess disposition, but also includes vendor consolidation, value engineering, low cost replacement analysis, and other services!

Your second question regarding the characteristics needed to be an Ind. Disty is interesting. While there are many certifications and qualifications that can help demonstrate proficiency and a committment to quality, I think the thing that seperates independent distributors the most is that they have  a complete understanding of the supply chain, and as a result are able to tailor custom solutions to solve those difficult supply chain issues. Staying in that independent distribution category frees them from any contractual obligations to component manufacturers that might prevent them from delivering creative and outside the box solutions.

I hope this sheds some light on your questions and I would to hear from others on whether you think independent distribution can really add value to the supply chain!

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Eldredge   7/22/2011 8:47:40 AM

I assume (dangerous, I know) that at least one motivation to use the term 'authorized' is assurance that product obtained through that channel is not counterfeit. If the perception is, then, that the independent channels pose more risk, some sort of certification or program to assure customers of part authenticity may be very helpful.

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