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Cryptoman
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Sustainable = Green + Profitable (+ Humane)
Cryptoman   8/10/2012 10:19:51 AM
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I really like your analysis and explanations here Douglas.

While I agree with the inanimate components that are required to ensure sustainability, I also think that there is an important human factor in the sustainability equilibrium.

Any process that is not humane is likely to fail over the long term either because the people can no longer endure the pain and the unfairness or the inhumane process attracts too much negative attention from the public.

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Ariella   8/10/2012 1:23:47 PM
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While some enviornmentalists do object to wind turbines because they sometimes have a detrimental effect on the bird and bat populations where they are set up, I haven't heard anything against solar power. Is there any downside to it other than the potential for inadequate power on cloudy days?

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Cryptoman   8/10/2012 2:17:15 PM
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Hi Ariella,

One downside to windturbines that I can think of is they are not the most pretty objects to look at. Aesthetically, windturbines do cause visual pollution especially when they are installed in high volumes on a wind farm.

 

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Ariella   8/10/2012 2:30:10 PM
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@Cryptoman So they call it "visual pollution," interesting. That's almost a trivial consideration, though the people concerned about property values that depend on pretty views may think otherwise. However, the effect on flying creatures is real, and I believe that some companies have invested in some designs that would be more bird and bat friendly.

 I have yet to hear of any objections whatsoever to solar power. Have you?

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Cryptoman   8/10/2012 5:05:21 PM
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Making use of solar power is a function of surface area as well as the angle of incidence of sun's rays. As the surface area of a solar panel increases, more energy can be harvested. In order to allocate a large surface area, large areas on land need to be allocated. I can see a potential danger for wildlife and forests if the land to be allocated to solar energy harvesting compromises natural habitats. If solar panels are restricted to roof tops, car chassis, sidewalks etc. I do not see any potential issues with using solar energy at all. I must also add that visual pollution may also be applicable to solar panels as they are always large in size and dark in colour. Unfortunately, solar panels cannot be manufactured in bright and more pleasant colours as solar energy needs to be absorbed by the panels to be converted into electrical energy. (Light energy absorption increases as the colour of an object becomes darker.)

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Adeniji Kayode   8/10/2012 10:45:55 PM
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@Ariella,

Well, the only thing against solar power in my area is the installation cost- pretty high for now though blessed with enough sun light.

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Adeniji Kayode   8/10/2012 10:57:41 PM
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@Cryptoman,

I agree with you on that, they are not pretty objects to look at all.

the tall poles with long blade-like fans  too.

Another downside to it might be the volume of wind and the direction of the wind.

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Adeniji Kayode   8/10/2012 11:06:06 PM
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I am  interested in seeing a design that is really flying creatures friendly.That may be hard to come- by due to the aero-design  but will be a very good innovation.

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anandvy   8/12/2012 1:31:44 AM
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the only thing against solar power in my area is the installation cost- pretty high for now though blessed with enough sun light.

@Adenji, That is the disadvantage of solar power. Initial cost will be very high but its a one-time cost. Is government taking any steps to bring down this cost ? 

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anandvy   8/12/2012 1:31:46 AM
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@Douglas, thanks for the post. Solar panels can be used not only to generate electricity but also to stop water evaporation. In India solar panels were placed on a .75 km stretch of a canal, thus saving land costs as well as preventing water evaporation.

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