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Time to Redefine 'Waste' in the US

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_hm
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_hm   8/24/2012 7:36:45 PM
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Yes, it is very simple. Follow Germany, recycling system is so simple but so effective. If you compare to that, it feels like north America do not have much of waste recycling system as yet.

 

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Douglas Alexander   8/24/2012 7:46:50 PM
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@-hm, That is a true statement. But having Germany as an example shows that it is possible to achieve. The real benefit will come when the manufacturers stop packaging in a manner that is excessive. They are going for appearance and the cool package design without consideration for the environment. In the design for recycling world, meeting minimal packaging material mass should be encouraged. 35% of all plastics are used in packaging.

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_hm   8/24/2012 8:01:47 PM
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This should also include food. Recent report shows 40% of food is wasted in USA. It is quite dissapointing, can it be reduced to 1% or lower?

 

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Douglas Alexander   8/24/2012 8:15:46 PM
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@hm, please give me the link to the report about 40% of food being wasted.

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Douglas Alexander   8/24/2012 10:20:27 PM
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@_hm, Here is what I found: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/08/how-40-of-our-food-goes-to-waste/261498/ Is this what you were referring to?

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Hospice_Houngbo   8/25/2012 12:30:49 AM
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@_hm:

Americans throw out 40% of food, study says - World - CBC News

I doesn't surprise me, but it is indeed desapointing when we know that many people in poor countries don't have enough to eat and how difficult it is for them to make ends meet.

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elctrnx_lyf   8/25/2012 6:54:58 AM
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I think European countries are ahead of many nations across the world. 55 percent of the product to be recyclable is really a great requirement from any electronic product company. But are other countries going to follow European regulations.

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nimantha.d   8/25/2012 10:51:45 AM
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Well its a good percentage indeed and this is a good stepping stone for other countries to follow if they really do care. I feel we should create more awareness regarding the subject 

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_hm   8/25/2012 8:30:02 PM
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There should be more stress in education from early childhood. Also, US student should more frequently visit and stay there for year or more to deeply understand their approach. This may be way to improve culture slowly.

In general, in Germany and may be in Europe they do revere earth and environment as Goddess.

 

_hm
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_hm   8/25/2012 8:32:47 PM
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@Douglas: It was in TV news. Apart from that, as it is 40% it should be more obvious in one's daily life.

 

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Hospice_Houngbo   8/25/2012 12:22:02 AM
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@_hm,

Waste management philosophy seems to be better defined in Germany.

  "Avoidance, recovery, disposal. This is the principle of the waste hierarchy which is the basis for waste management in Germany. In the past waste was simply landfilled, but it has since been recognised that waste contains valuable raw materials which can be used to conserve natural resources.

Waste avoidance means consuming less raw materials and reducing burdens on the environment.

Waste recovery means that raw materials and energy are reintroduced into the economic cycle. German waste management is an important industrial sector and provides high-quality technology for the efficient use of waste as a resource and the environmentally sound disposal of the remaining residual waste."   (From General Information Waste Management in Germany

      Other countries should learn from that principle.



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Nemos   8/25/2012 8:36:02 PM
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" For decades, the Danish environment policy has been to regard waste as a resource."

If we look at nature we can't find waste therefore we must act in the same way. All the products we produce must be recycled, otherwise in a few decades we have to find another planet to destroy.....

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Rich Krajewski   8/26/2012 2:24:43 PM
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"If we look at nature we can't find waste"

Whoa! I was taught that Nature is ultimately waste, in that all processes ultimately increase chaos in the universe. (That jibes with the theological idea that the universe is "broken.") At least that's what I learned about the laws of thermodynamics when I studied engineering.

Nevertheless, I get your point. "Life processes" on a planetary level seem to recover waste materials very effectively (with the injection of energy from the Sun and from some chemical and nuclear processes on the Earth). We should copy that, because for a system to be viable in the long term, it must have a way to obtain inputs, even if it means recovering waste (if that recovery is cheaper overall than obtaining new input).

"Cheaper overall" depends on how "long term" is defined. Society's definition should include multiple generations, to as long as we can plan, if society wants to continue. Many individuals and probably most businesses look at a much shorter definition, which selfishly foists the problem onto the shoulders of coming generations. To force the definition to a multi-generational span probably requires government, since that span is outside the outlook of most businesses and individuals, but is inside the interests of society.

Likely, companies will initially adopt these measures as marketing tools, as long as "green" is still popular, then continue to adopt under orders from government, and then eventually adopt them as the only viable business strategy that makes new materials available at a reasonable cost.

As materials become more scarce, business Dawinism will ensure that only companies that have mastered the art of recycling waste will continue.

 

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Mr. Roques   8/26/2012 6:27:43 PM
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So, lets say we could recycle every single can out there, you're still saying companies are doing something wrong with them? like what?

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Rich Krajewski   8/26/2012 7:10:37 PM
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Probably I'm saying (if you mean me) that recycling is a good idea, but that, since Nature was brought in as an example of a perfect recycler, we might want to realize the limitations of recycling, even for Nature. Then I talked about how the definition changes of what constitutes a sound reason to recycle when you adjust the time horizon of the problem, and how that in turn probably might require intervention because of market failure in managing such long-term problems.

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Wow, is That an Understatement
Rich Krajewski   8/26/2012 2:00:58 PM
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"I would say we have room to improve"

Wow, is that an understatement. The sooner supply streams incorporate recycling costs and toxin control programs, the better.

Instead, I'm seeing more and more BYOTICTD (Bring Your Own Throw-away, Irresponsible, Childish, Toy-like Device) mentality.

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TaimoorZ   8/26/2012 6:25:12 PM
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Great point, Rich. I do agree that by having policies like BYOD companies are getting rid of the hassle of managing the recycling of hardware and ensuring their processes remain green. Although I'm not sure if it's really a bad idea to let the users handle the recycling part on their own.

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Rich Krajewski   8/26/2012 6:58:41 PM
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"Although I'm not sure if it's really a bad idea to let the users handle the recycling part on their own."

I felt we had that licked years ago, when many companies required deposits on bottles to make sure they would come back for reuse (and not just recycling). I made enough money picking up bottles and returning them to the store to buy some comic books that way. I understand some states still have deposits on bottles. Maybe the idea should be revived and extended. This way, the cooperation of the user will be better achieved.

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TaimoorZ   8/27/2012 2:46:14 AM
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@Rich: Considering your example, do you think it can be a good technique if companies start paying out a certain incentive to consumers who bring the devices back to the manufacturers once their useful life is over? Would that help in improving the recycling process?

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Bolaji Ojo   8/26/2012 8:38:35 PM
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Unfortunately, some of what's happening today is merely to be compliant with the law and not because of a serious concern about the environment. The profit impetus is just way too strong and the short-term, deliver-first mentality driving businesses means the comprehensive program we need to undertake as a society will probably take way too long to happen.

We do design for maximum profit rather than design for sustainability, which means most of the electronic equipment we buy and other products aren't designed to have the minimal impact on our society we desire but the highest profit we can garner.

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Anna young   8/27/2012 5:35:23 AM
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Bolaji, you are absolutely correct and I agree with the point you have raised.  For example, a current estimate reveals the ICT industry is expected to generate 53millions tonnes of e waste by 2012. Only 13% of this waste is reported to be recycled with or without adequate safety procedures. As you are aware, the potential human impacts from this are toxic. . So what then happens now?

 I think (though like you mentioned a comprehensive programme may take too long) the challenge is to raise further  awareness among all actors, policy makers, producers, consumers and recyclers - in order to be aware of the environmental impact and realise the innovation potential that could lead to sustainable design and consumption.

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Time to Redefine 'Waste' in the US
SP   8/27/2012 6:35:57 AM
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Its remarkable to see the awrareness common people have in countries like US. Even the social communities like residential appartment building also do recycling and all the waste is categorized. Hope in Asian countries also common man start doing it.

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Barbara Jorgensen   8/27/2012 9:52:57 AM
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That data is eye-opening, especially on the amount of energy it takes to actually create something that ends up as waste.

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nimantha.d   8/27/2012 11:29:50 AM
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Exactly and according to my knowledge there is lot of wastage happening in the US itself and its not only in the field of technology but in other areas like food, medicine, etc... If there is a solution where you can recycle whatever which is due to go into the garbage basket, then lot of money can be saved.

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Douglas Alexander   8/27/2012 3:46:44 PM
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@nimantha, Good point. My wife and I worked in Manila with a medical team serving 5000 families that lived on a garbage dump. The entire family made a "living" be picking through the garbage for old rice bags, rubber tires that could made into sandles, metal, and just about anything else that could be washed and reused. A day's wage was one dried fish, a scoop of rice, and a gallon of water. It was amazing to watch the people put together a livilihood off of waste products.

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nimantha.d   9/22/2012 8:16:06 AM
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Exactly Douglas and this is something that the US government should address quickly. Its not just a wastage of food and products basically wastage of national economy.



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