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Counterfeiting as an Art Form

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owen
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Re: Counterfeiting
owen   3/4/2013 4:09:00 PM
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@Douglas, I could live with that.

Douglas Alexander
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Douglas Alexander   3/4/2013 1:16:47 PM
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@owen, I think the best punishment is the one that fits the crime. Sort of like Eye for an Eye, but not so brutal. I think a counterfeiter should be sentenced to hard labor, where the labor produces a useful commodity. The counterfeiter would not be paid anything for the labor, but would receive maybe two meals a day. The amount of labor and the consequent term of the sentence we be a function of 4 times the value of the assessed damages for the counterfeiting operation. So, if there were 100,000 dollars of counterfeit goods, the counterfeiter would have to work off 400,000 dollars worth of labor at some minimum wage equivalent. If it took him a life time of indentured labor, then so be it. He just got himself a life sentence. If a death resulted from the counterfeiting, then he should be brought before a jury and tried for murder. After all, he did take away a life and so he should be tried accordingly. If it is a business organization with hundreds of employees, then the officers and principal actors should be tried and sentenced accordingly. I think the hard labor for two meals a day, may be a bigger deterrent that death because the motivation for counterfeiting is greed. Make them work 4 times as hard, losing their freedom, with no gain, and that goes against their natural grain so radically, that they will never want to find themselves so I un-gainfully employed ever again. Two offenses of the same nature, automatically earns a life term of indentured labor.

owen
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owen   3/4/2013 7:28:27 AM
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Douglas,

This may seem a bit harsh in a "civilized country", but when it come to counterfeit money and drugs Bangladesh isn't alone..."Bangladesh Bank Currency Management department officials said the law proposed the 'death penalty' for confiscation of 10,000 or more than 10,000 fake notes or relevant paper of the same amount, ink and other accessories...Officials hope the law will be passed in the next parliament session." (Death Penalty News - 1/7/13)

http://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.com/2013/01/death-penalty-for-counterfeiting.html 

That would put a dent in the problem, what do you think...

William K.
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William K.   3/2/2013 10:44:04 PM
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I am not certain that jail time is the best thing to do to counterfeiters, although it should remain an option. Possibly some sort of probation along with the liability of having to pay for the damage done. Of course, the probation would be for life, or at least until they were no longer able to counterfeit. 

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Douglas Alexander   3/2/2013 12:39:39 AM
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@William K. , There is nothing noble whatsoever about counterfeiters. In fact, I think the term " ignoble" fits perfectly. I agree no amount of legislation will slow them down. Greed is at the heart because every knock-off sold is lost opportunity for the legitimate goods supplier. What would you suggest would be the minimum prison term for a counterfeiter?

William K.
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Counterfeiting
William K.   3/1/2013 8:53:25 PM
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Just like a lot of other crimes, most counterfeiting is done by criminals and lawbreakers. So no amount of regulation of those folks who choosw to abey the laws will affect those who choose to violate the laws. That fact is ignored by a whole lot of people wanting to create utopia by force. It is a perenial heresy that has been around for hundreds of years, although it has had digfferent names in that time.

As for motivation, and why do they produce counterfeit parts? Possibly those who produce correctly functioning copies may actually wish to compete by stealing a design and selling the copie. BUT my thought is that the primary motive is greed, without any thought about the damage that they are doing. Just plain old selfish greed, without anynhigher motivation or any redeeming virtues of any kind. And I am sure that there are a few producing and selling the fake parts who delight in the damage they are doing to our country and the balance of the free world. The fact is that freedom as we know it here does have a few enemies, including some who despise freedom all in itself, apart from what it has given us here. So I certainly don't see any form of noble thought in the heads of any of the counterfeiters.

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Re: The vicious cycle of counterfeiting
Douglas Alexander   3/1/2013 12:17:06 PM
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@ddeisz, you are right about that. I think there is a big issue with companies being reluctant to report instances of counterfeiting because it makes them look vulnerable as to their internal supply chain management's effectiveness. That in turn makes the GIDEP system not as effective as it was designed to be.

ddeisz
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Re: The vicious cycle of counterfeiting
ddeisz   3/1/2013 12:05:46 PM
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Sorry Douglas, I should have been more clear. While many are able to sign up and have signed up to use GIDEP, only those that have to actually use it. The DATA is of less use because the tool itself is not as good as others (ERAI's for example) from a useability perspective. When you look at who is entering counterfeit data, it's only those oranizations who have to.....and they are doing it reluctantly.

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Re: Re : Counterfeiting as an Art Form
tirlapur   3/1/2013 3:21:47 AM
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If the GPS tech cost more than the device it is on, I don't think it is worth it. But, at some break point it might be advisable to track equipment with GPS.

@Douglas, I agree with you. Eventually we have to use GPS to track the equipments but big question is who will bear this extra cost ? Do you think it would be fair if the companies pass on this extra cost the end customer ?

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Douglas Alexander   3/1/2013 2:04:28 AM
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@tiriapur, you know I am just thinking creatively and trying to various methods for fighting counterfeiters. If the GPS tech cost more than the device it is on, I don't think it is worth it. But, at some break point it might be advisable to track equipment with GPS. The more I read and write about counterfeiting warfare, I become more convinced that the final solution will be a combination of tech methods and devices. RFID with GPS, or DNA with with RFID, or Rules Based RFID with QR or Barcodes. The ultimate solution will be a function of authentication and monitoring from OEM to Final End User. By this I mean unique identifiers tied to manufacturing date and serial number or lot numbers with time-based tracking and station marking such that a reverse audit trace is 100% available. I know where the part was at 12:02 PM, Thursday, the 23rd of March, and I knew where it was at 12:03 PM, Thursday, the 23rd of March. In brief, I have eyes on capability 24/7. There are TREK devices at the part, package, carton, pallet, and container level now that monitor location, time, temperature, open-closed, angle, and humidity. I would like to think that someday, as soon as you are notified of a shipment, the package number is forwarded to your real time tracking computer and you can watch it move along a predefined course so you know where it is at all times. The military does this for carrier truck freight hauling weapons or dangerous materials over land. They can see when a truck stops and if the cargo doors are opened. Maybe someday distributors will have a service like this that kicks in on every shipment, tied to a customer's real time, dedicated logistics monitoring system display. Dream big because little dreams don't own the future.

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