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Fight Counterfeiting With Handheld DNA Sequencing

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Douglas Alexander
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Re: One Hour Sequencing and Traceability
Douglas Alexander   4/16/2013 10:46:45 AM
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@Dan....Did you see this? http://science.dodlive.mil/2013/04/10/sneaky-discovery-can-identify-counterfeits-track-materiel/?goback=%2Egde_157971_member_231182789. Nobody is sitting on their hands. That is for sure. I think this must use an optical method that detects distance like refractometers and colorizes the surface anomalies. They can do this in free 3D space where you can look down a hallway and know the distance from an object by its color. If you throw the object the entire distance, it changed colors in flight in real time. It seems like an optimum surveying tool...at the very least.

Douglas Alexander
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Douglas Alexander   4/16/2013 12:12:45 AM
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Dan....I agree. Not all goods go through ADs. We will.need anti counterfeiting strategies to cover all the bases. I hope someone can take you up on that challenge. It would be good to have concrete proof once and for all.

ddeisz
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ddeisz   4/15/2013 10:17:27 PM
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Douglas,

I would rather put it out there this way as a challenge. Let the IDEA members come forward with a documented case of where they think a fully Authorized supplier (for the product in question of course) has supplied counterfeit product. If they can produce a GIDEP report where this happened, I would be glad to investigate and report back. The same goes for you too. Bring a case where a fully Authorized source for a product has supplied a counterfeit of that product. There was one GIDEP report I know from several years ago which turned out to be a customer pushing the Authorized source to buy from the open market to fully source an order rather than have two seperate orders. Then the end customer wrote them up in a GIDEP report conveniently leaving out how the order went down to begin with. Let's see if this old favorite comes back. I would love to hear specific OCM and specific product instances rather than hearsay. 

Authorized sources are found here:

//www.authorizeddirectory.com

Your statement about not needing anitcounterfeit is inaccurate only because the Fully Authorized channel cannot supply all products. There are products no longer available where even the Authorized channel has no ability to supply the product. That being said, once you are buying from this type of source, all kinds of other mechanisms should kick in. Of course, if all product was available through fully Authorized sources then no anticounterfeit would be needed.

It should be as simple as:

1. Buy Authorized First if available = no counterfeit

2. When buying from Independents, do way more than just visual detection methods which should include full dynamic testing across temp/voltage ranges. Visual-only methods (including SAM) which avoid full dynamic testing are inadequate. I don't care what standard they are part of.

Dan Deisz

Rochester Electronics

Douglas Alexander
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Douglas Alexander   4/15/2013 9:21:51 PM
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@ddeisz...Counterfeits through fully Authorized supply don't happen. That's a huge statement Dan. If that is the case, then we do not need any anti-counterfeiting tech at all if people only buy through ADs. I think the red herrings argument is convincing. Can you cite a couple of articles that uncovered the AD's innocence after being accused of passing along counterfeits. It seems you are well-connected to SIA and can resource some key rebuttals. Please forward the links. Thanks.

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ddeisz   4/15/2013 2:02:55 PM
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Douglas,

Counterfeits through fully Authorized supply don't happen. Every supposed documented case where this happened has turned into a red herring. Independents have tried to say this happens but specific cases have not come forward and held up when thoroughly investigated.

Prior to the mandate, DLA did not do anything but try to crack the DNA code itself and see if an ink-based product could be marked in an ink-based flow. Unfortunately, the mandate came as a surprise to all of their tier 1 suppliers (Arrow, Avnet, Rochester, Landsdale) and did not involve any of their suppliers before the mandate. DLA does not buy from OCM's directly for a vast majority of their 5962 purchases.

The truly tragic part of this story is that nobody will know until counterfeit product is well-within the chain at DLA. Their usage is so low that it may take years for this to happen. When it does happen, I really hope it's not in a bad way.

Here is what we do know. DLA is mainly buying from 5 brokers for Q1 2013. One of those brokers just entered a GIDEP report where they passed on a part they didn't realize was counterfeit because they didn't have enough expertise in-house to catch the issue. They bought the part from another broker who bought the part from somewhere in China and they are surprised! What? The part wasn't to DLA, but it tells an interesting story about who is supplying to DLA today when DLA could be buying from fully Authorized sources.

DLA didn't do their homework before the mandate.

Dan Deisz

Rochester Electronics

Douglas Alexander
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Douglas Alexander   4/15/2013 11:46:19 AM
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@All, Authentication has been and always will be the key to widespread deployment. As long as the integrity of the authentication can be questioned, the marking worthiness is in question. What can be made, can be stolen. What can be stolen can be resold. If one of the sources for counterfeit is used parts being recycled back into the supply chain, then part of the authentication has to include a time/date stamp with RFID rules type management. Where the parts were in transit after leaving the OCM. Clearly, the authorized distributor channel with front and back end anti-counterfeit detection measures, is the first line of defense. But, if counterfeit parts can slip by these safeguards, then only DNA marking that is covertly marked and protected, will absolutely guarantee authenticity to the end user. So, I think that a combination of anti-counterfeiting technologies may be called for until statistically proven that DNA can stand on its own. That is a challenge that any DNA marking company should be willing to accept with open arms. Staging that challenge and gathering the statistical proof, is a necessary process that would be part of the market worthiness evaluation. I believe the DLA did that before issuing the current DNA marking mandate. I suggest we wait and see if the DLA publishes any data that a counterfeit part slipped by them because it seemed to have authorized DNA marking. That will be the final argument giving evidence to the fallibility of the DNA marking solution.

ddeisz
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ddeisz   4/15/2013 9:33:19 AM
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Owen,

DNA marking of semiconductor products makes no sense how it has been mandated by DLA. The semiconductor supply chain for DLA has clearly articulated the reasons why and you can find this on the SIA web page. If you are a proponent for DNA marking of semiconductor products, you must not be an employee of a semiconductor company because they have all rejected it. DNA as a technology has some fantastic opportunities. DNA marking of semiconductor products by the original component manufacturers isn't going to happen. I have not heard of a single SIA member who cares if DLA wanted to mark parts with DNA THEMSELVES after procurement to solve their internal supply chain issues. Unfortunately, this proposal by the SIA was rejected by DLA.

I mostly applaud the NDAA and Section 818 (aside from vague terms like "trusted" or "trustworthy" in the language). However, until legislation reflects exactly how the semiconductor supply chain can ensure fully authorized product, we have a disconnect. Those vague terms allow wiggle room to avoid fixing a purchasing priority to favor fully authorized FIRST before going independent.

The number one issue causing counterfeit continues to be a procurement issue. Buying from fully Authorized first when available solves this. DLA has chosen another path and a much riskier path for procurement of 5962 product. All this, because they issued a mandate they can't seem to back away from. They would rather buy from brokers, refund brokers most of the DNA cost, and pay more per part, than buy fully authroized product with no DNA tagging and guaranteed no counterfeit. None of DLA's 5962 purchases in Q1 2013 have come with any OCM warranty. Zero. But the parts all had broker DNA marking on them.

Douglas has pointed out how quickly human forensic DNA analysis has become more affordable and he is psyched about the technology advancement. I agree.That's what the article was originally about.

Dan Deisz

Rochester Electronics

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owen   4/15/2013 5:44:12 AM
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Just when you think you've developed the best thing since sliced bread along comes another development. This was published yesterday, 4/14/13 by Japan Today... "DNA testing chip delivers results in one hour..., TOKYO - Panasonic, together with the Belgium-based research institution IMEC, has developed a DNA testing chip that automates all stages of obtaining genetic information, including pre-processing."

http://www.japantoday.com/category/technology/view/dna-testing-chip-delivers-results-in-one-hour-paves-way-for-personalized-drug-treatments

With regard to Mr. Deisz's comments, given that Congess, in Sec 818 of the NDAA2012, specifically requires the DoD to develop means to ensure traceability of parts and that he has acknowledged the benefit of DNA for such purposes, it seems his hostility toward that solution is somewhat misplaced. Indeed, he has called for that solution to be addressed first!

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Douglas Alexander   4/10/2013 10:09:26 PM
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@ddeisz...I strongly agree. In terms of authentication, there are many twists and turns yet to come, but this can be one of the foundation technologies that add the next, nearest twist.

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ddeisz   4/10/2013 7:49:25 PM
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Douglas,

Not angry, just reacting to the title of the article with respect to semiconductors and counterfeit. If your article is just on the technology and nothing to do with semiconductor counterfeit, then I read into your title too much. The technology is cool and it is great advancement along the lines of what to do or could be done with DNA. This is awesome for criminal forensics as it relates to human DNA. Anything that can more simply remove extended lab work fraught with human error in handling is a good thing when it comes to processing human DNA samples for criminal investigations.

Semiconductors.....not so much,

Dan Deisz

Rochester Electronics

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