Electromagnetic Radiation in Our DNA

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pocharle
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pocharle   2/29/2012 11:46:09 AM
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Well, as Kevin pointed out. Alot of people will capitalize off of the hype and fear. It's probably the same fols doing the studies that are selling the anti-radiation products and warning you of hold cell phones so close to your head, etc.

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Mr. Roques   2/29/2012 11:08:21 AM
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Who's done those studies? I look into it quite often and haven't found a study that, without a doubt, shows that cellular signals can have a big impact on humans. Not just electromagnetic waves, radiofrequency.

This a very interesting article about it by the National Cancer Institute: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cellphones

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Kevin   2/22/2012 12:54:22 PM
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Let me translate: "Nevertheless, in all the studies the numbers of long-term users and heavy users are limited, obviating any firm conclusion." means - Hey, we didn't get the results we were looking for but, we're sure to get those results as soon as we can study people with more exposure.

Otherwise, I have to agree with you. I can't make heads or tails of environmental change due to CO2 emissions because it is an almost entirely political subject.

I never said microwave radiation is good for you. Education is the real answer. We know high levels of microwave radiation will kill you in minutes yet, how much is "safe" is not so clear. Being aware of what we truthfully know and don't know prepares a consumer to make a choice that makes sense to them. An informed consumer would probably be more interested in their exposure level than to the color of the case.

 

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Kevin   2/22/2012 11:46:03 AM
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Touché! A well written response.

You've given me a lot of material to review and evaluate and I can't give you a complete and proper response at this time.

However, the first study you site "Christensen, et al., Cellular telephones and risk for brain tumors. A population-based, incident case–control study, Neurology 64 (2005)1189–1195," says, right up front, in the Abstract: "Conclusion: The results do not support an association between use of cellular telephones and risk for glioma or meningioma.", find it here: http://www.altcancerweb.com/osteosarcoma/cancer-risk/cell-telephones-brain-tumor-risk.pdf

So, it looks like I'm using your scientists.

As about one in 4,000 people get brain cancer and considering the "conclusions" reached here http://www.ewg.org/project/2009cellphone/cellphoneradiation-fullreport.pdf, one of which indicated a doubling of risk for brain cancer due to cell phone use, I don't think there would be any doubt if one in 4,000 turned into one in 2,000. If the incidence of brain cancer doubled in the last 10 years I think that would make the 6:00 news around the world. Since that hasn't happened, it makes the claim appear unsupported in reality.

 

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Kevin   2/22/2012 8:57:29 AM
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What do you mean by "conclusive"?

We've done a lot of studies, all with the same conclusion.

Would a study that came to a different conclusion be conclusive?

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Kevin   2/22/2012 8:30:51 AM
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Your post referenced in "Jumping Up and Down After Sex Prevents Pregnancy".

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Mr. Roques   2/22/2012 8:29:46 AM
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Until a conclusive study is released, the debate will continue. I work a lot with this because working for the telecom regulator, many communities opose new base stations close to where they live, stating it causes cancer and other diseases. 

We normally coordiante talks, telling them we have power limits and that those transmissions are nothing compared to other devices (microwaves, TV transmissions, etc). 

 

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Kevin   2/22/2012 8:28:33 AM
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Your post referenced in "Jumping Up and Down After Sex Prevents Pregnancy".

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Clairvoyant   2/21/2012 7:22:40 PM
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Kevin, you make some good points. Perhaps society is worrying about nothing.

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Kevin   2/21/2012 5:57:54 PM
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Barbara, there is no dilemma. At this point in time, the idea that radiation from electronic devices causes health issues is as true as the subject of this post. The author of this piece pointed out studies done in five developed nations that indicate no effect whatsoever. The very idea of a connection is a kind of urban legend, something that sounds like it makes sense for example: deodorant causes cancer in your armpits, radar speed guns cause testicular cancer and jumping up and down after sex will prevent pregnancy, all of which have been disproven. The idea, in this case, sounds so reasonable that study after study has been done trying to find any link and, so far, nothing. Yet, despite repeatedly being disproven, we still want to believe.

I and thousands like me have spent 20+ years at a bench hunched over an electronic device. In my case relatively high powered switching power supplies. Outside of their shielded enclosures without the benefit of input/output shielding and without radiated emissions fixes those supplies generate incredibly high levels of electromagnetic radiation. Before that, years with high power down hole pulse power supplies that, outside of their steel tubular cases, transmitted electromagnet pulses so powerful any scope within a half mile was useless. Yet, despite long years of exposure to levels of electromagnet radiation no person with a cell phone will ever experience in their lifetime I, and others like me, have no unusual health issues. Again, research shows that even people that work in that kind of environment show no increase in health problems. Is the radiation actually helpful? Hey, let's start that urban legend.

There was a time when patients at the hospital were warmed with microwave beds. Yes, microwaving a person warms the body as you would expect. Did they stop using them because of serious health effects? No, we stopped using them because the eyes and brains would sometimes be overheated because of the fluids in those structures and damage would result. That damage arising from the hot fluids, not from cancer.

Cryptoman, what a fantastic idea! Just as people are convinced that wearing a copper bracelet will cure disease they will also believe shielded clothing will save them from the ravages of electromagnetic radiation. There is a fortune to be made! And better still, even though shielded clothing won't help your health it will actually shield the wearer from the evil radiation (making me feel like less of an ass for selling it to them).

Reading some of these posts I am reminded of the time when microwave ovens were made available to the public. In particular I recall reports of people working at McDonald's (an early adopter of microwave ovens) were having their hands turn black and their fingers falling off. Makes sense, those ovens had microwaves in them!

 

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