Electromagnetic Radiation in Our DNA

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pocharle
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pocharle   2/29/2012 11:46:09 AM
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Well, as Kevin pointed out. Alot of people will capitalize off of the hype and fear. It's probably the same fols doing the studies that are selling the anti-radiation products and warning you of hold cell phones so close to your head, etc.

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Mr. Roques   2/29/2012 11:08:21 AM
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Who's done those studies? I look into it quite often and haven't found a study that, without a doubt, shows that cellular signals can have a big impact on humans. Not just electromagnetic waves, radiofrequency.

This a very interesting article about it by the National Cancer Institute: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cellphones

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Rich Krajewski   2/22/2012 1:00:09 PM
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You've convinced me. I'm duct-taping a cell phone to each side of my head right now.

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Kevin   2/22/2012 12:54:22 PM
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Let me translate: "Nevertheless, in all the studies the numbers of long-term users and heavy users are limited, obviating any firm conclusion." means - Hey, we didn't get the results we were looking for but, we're sure to get those results as soon as we can study people with more exposure.

Otherwise, I have to agree with you. I can't make heads or tails of environmental change due to CO2 emissions because it is an almost entirely political subject.

I never said microwave radiation is good for you. Education is the real answer. We know high levels of microwave radiation will kill you in minutes yet, how much is "safe" is not so clear. Being aware of what we truthfully know and don't know prepares a consumer to make a choice that makes sense to them. An informed consumer would probably be more interested in their exposure level than to the color of the case.

 

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Rich Krajewski   2/22/2012 11:57:14 AM
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Ah, you sly devil. You left out the part that said,

"Nevertheless, in all the studies the numbers of long-term users and heavy users are limited, obviating any firm conclusion."

Such is the world of partisan politics (which includes the world of science, regardless of how much scientists claim to float rather than walk).

The smart consumer will examine conflicting claims, weigh carefully the motivations of claim-makers (such as HUGE PROFITS!), and employ prudent avoidance of things like microwave communication devices that heat up your brain like a soggy hamburger with extra pickles from Mickey D's.

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Kevin   2/22/2012 11:46:03 AM
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Touché! A well written response.

You've given me a lot of material to review and evaluate and I can't give you a complete and proper response at this time.

However, the first study you site "Christensen, et al., Cellular telephones and risk for brain tumors. A population-based, incident case–control study, Neurology 64 (2005)1189–1195," says, right up front, in the Abstract: "Conclusion: The results do not support an association between use of cellular telephones and risk for glioma or meningioma.", find it here: http://www.altcancerweb.com/osteosarcoma/cancer-risk/cell-telephones-brain-tumor-risk.pdf

So, it looks like I'm using your scientists.

As about one in 4,000 people get brain cancer and considering the "conclusions" reached here http://www.ewg.org/project/2009cellphone/cellphoneradiation-fullreport.pdf, one of which indicated a doubling of risk for brain cancer due to cell phone use, I don't think there would be any doubt if one in 4,000 turned into one in 2,000. If the incidence of brain cancer doubled in the last 10 years I think that would make the 6:00 news around the world. Since that hasn't happened, it makes the claim appear unsupported in reality.

 

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Rich Krajewski   2/22/2012 9:48:46 AM
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"We've done a lot of studies, all with the same conclusion."

When you say "we," do you mean you and your famous band of roving scientists?

When you say "all with the same conclusion," do you mean the one in

Christensen, et al., Cellular telephones and risk for brain tumors. A population-based, incident case–control study, Neurology 64 (2005)1189–1195,

which according to

http://archive.radiationresearch.org/pdfs/reasons_us.pdf

indicated potential damage to human health based on cell phone use?

Or maybe you mean the conclusions of some of these studies:

Hardell L, Carlberg M, Hansson Mild K. 2005. Use of cellular telephones and brain tumour risk in urban and rural areas. Occup
Environ Med 62(6): 390-4.
Hardell L, Carlberg M, Hansson Mild K. 2006a. Pooled analysis of two case-control studies on the use of cellular and cordless
telephones and the risk of benign brain tumours diagnosed during 1997-2003. Int J Oncol 28(2): 509-18.
Hardell L, Carlberg M, Hansson Mild K. 2006b. Pooled analysis of two case-control studies on use of cellular and cordless
telephones and the risk for malignant brain tumours diagnosed in 1997-2003. Int Arch Occup Environ Health 79(8): 630-9.
Hardell L, Carlberg M, Hansson Mild K. 2009. Epidemiological evidence for an association between use of wireless phones
and tumor diseases. Pathophysiology: in press.
Hardell L, Hansson Mild K. 2006. Mobile phone use and risk of acoustic neuroma: results of the interphone case-control study
in five North European countries. Br J Cancer 94(9): 1348-9; author reply 52-3.
Hardell L, Mild KH, Carlberg M. 2003. Further aspects on cellular and cordless telephones and brain tumours. Int J Oncol
22(2): 399-407.

which were compiled in

http://www.ewg.org/project/2009cellphone/cellphoneradiation-fullreport.pdf ?

Because my band of scientists can beat up your band of scientists.

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Kevin   2/22/2012 8:57:29 AM
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What do you mean by "conclusive"?

We've done a lot of studies, all with the same conclusion.

Would a study that came to a different conclusion be conclusive?

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Kevin   2/22/2012 8:30:51 AM
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Your post referenced in "Jumping Up and Down After Sex Prevents Pregnancy".

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Mr. Roques   2/22/2012 8:29:46 AM
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Until a conclusive study is released, the debate will continue. I work a lot with this because working for the telecom regulator, many communities opose new base stations close to where they live, stating it causes cancer and other diseases. 

We normally coordiante talks, telling them we have power limits and that those transmissions are nothing compared to other devices (microwaves, TV transmissions, etc). 

 

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