Aussies Cut Huawei Off $38B Broadband Project

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_hm
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Bold and Beautiful
_hm   3/26/2012 7:50:32 PM
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Australian Prime Minister is taking some of landmark decision for her country. They are bold and beautiful. She is quite candid in her communication. I like all counrty should take lessons to protect itself from other foreign power.

 

 

FLYINGSCOT
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Ouch
FLYINGSCOT   3/27/2012 4:22:03 AM
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Whilst I find it somewhat surprising they did this I can also understand the sentiment behind it.  China does not have the greatest track record when it comes to electronic interchange transparency.

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Re: Ouch
Bolaji Ojo   3/27/2012 10:23:20 AM
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Flyingscot, The Australian government is footing the bill so it may also believe local companies and Western counterparts should benefit more. However, what happens if a local company was investing this capital in its network? Will the government have the right to by fiat insist Huawei cannot participate due to "national security concerns?" I believe Australia definitely is right to be concerned and China itself probably wouldn't allow a foreign company to be involved in such a major IT project, but Australia is a democracy, China is not.

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Re: Ouch
Hospice_Houngbo   3/27/2012 11:00:05 AM
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"China itself probably wouldn't allow a foreign company to be involved in such a major IT project, but Australia is a democracy, China is not."

Hmm... if China can pretend security concerns to prevent other countries from involving into its "major IT projects", I think that it is fair to accept such stand from those countries as well. As you said, Australia may want its local companies to benefit more, but their argument about "national security concerns" seems to be valid.

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Governments decision
Eldredge   3/27/2012 7:07:51 AM
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Each government has the right to make the decision that they believe is in the best interest of national security. I'm sure China has made similar decsions regarding contract awards.

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Well within their rights!
rohscompliant   3/27/2012 10:15:56 AM
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The Aussies are justified in their decision. They did the right thing. I wish our gvt would do more of that to protect our technologies and our country.

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Re: Well within their rights!
Bolaji Ojo   3/27/2012 10:28:08 AM
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rohscompliant, I can just imagine the case before the US Supreme Court if Verizon signs on Huawei to build a $38 billion fiber optic network and the executive branch says "heck no" because of national security concerns! The difference here is that the Australian government is spending its own money and "national security concerns" aside, it can decide who gets a slice of the business. It doesn't even have to say why.

I think the Australian government purposely announced why it denied Huawei a piece of the business because it wanted to send a message to the Chinese government: Stop trying to snoop. We know you want to access our network!

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Re: Well within their rights!
Hospice_Houngbo   3/27/2012 11:11:49 AM
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@rohscompliant 

"The Aussies are justified in their decision."

I share your opinion. Prevension is better than cure. Huawei already works with all of Australia's major operators. If the australian government is preventing the company from applying for the new broadband project, they certainly have a valid reason for that.

 

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Huawei
Barbara Jorgensen   3/27/2012 11:16:13 AM
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I believe the US government faced the same dilemma and also said no to Huawei. I believe Huawei appealed the ruling or asked for an investigation. Althuogh the US and Aussie governments are within their rights to make their own decisions, if you operate in an open-market society, you have to play by the rules of an open market. If China were to shut out foreign companies--and they have--it is not as surprising because of historic trade practices. It is a dilemma that Western compnaies and government have brought on themselves. But I agree that Australia is within its right to do what it did.

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Re: Huawei
Jacob   3/28/2012 5:42:34 AM
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Bolaji, I think Huawei has faced similar problems with some of other Asian countries also. Sometimes back I had read an allegation from an agency that, most of the communication and networking equipments from Huawei are embedded with malwares, which can periodically send statics and datas to a preconfigured receiving centre. Its more or less like a spy work.

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Re: Huawei
elctrnx_lyf   3/28/2012 6:20:06 AM
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I do really wonder how Huwaei can erase all this black mark and be able to get into US, Europe and Australian market. I feel sorry for Huawei for their inability to get a chance to bid for such a prestigious project. 

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Re: Huawei
t.alex   4/1/2012 7:45:18 AM
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With the strong presence of Huwei in Asia markets, it might be possibly indirectly involved in big projects, but not as a main bidder.

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Huawei update
Barbara Jorgensen   3/28/2012 9:30:23 AM
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It looks like Huawei is willing to make concessions to the Aussie government. Huawei is willing to allow the Aussies to see its code and a variety of other things I don't understand all that well. But a willingness to open the kimono is a step in the right direction.

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Re: Huawei update
Anna young   3/28/2012 9:42:54 AM
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Well that sounds great. Huawei may have decided to allow Aussies to view its code of practice and other things, can it manage to twist the Aussies hands? I doubt this step will make much difference now..

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Re: Huawei update
tech4people   3/28/2012 10:10:01 AM
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Barbara,

This is most certainly a Good Move on Huawei's part.

Hopefully the Australian Govt will take up on their offer and let them bid in the auction(after they have satisfied themselves about their Security concerns).

After all,just because they bid does'nt mean that they will win the Auction-They can always be disqualified for some other Techical reason later on.

This move will help build up mutual Trust between Huawei(and by extension other major Chinese Manufacturers) and the West.

Hopefully it will stop the current protectionist wave we are facing today in Global Markets.

Regards

Ashish.

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Now America kicks out Huawei...
tech4people   3/28/2012 10:02:50 AM
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Guys,

This just in.

Huawei is exiting its Joint Venture with Symantec in Network Security and moving outside the US.

This was the most important part of the exit

"

People with knowledge of the venture, who would speak only on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak, said Huawei had already laid off several workers in Huawei Symantec's Silicon Valley offices this month and planned to move its entire operation out of the United States, largely because of increased American government oversight.

"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/technology/symantec-dissolves-alliance-with-huawei-of-china.html?_r=3&ref=business

Think about it,if Huawei had nothing to hide,Why would they exit the US???

I think its foolish to say that the US Govt will have a hidden agenda against Huawei.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Now America kicks out Huawei...
Bolaji Ojo   3/28/2012 1:55:26 PM
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Ashish, Perhaps Huawei is existing simply because they aren't making any money. If you build and they don't come, you pack up and do something else. Huawei tried building but it's not getting the contracts it wants from Western governments.

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Re: Now America kicks out Huawei...
tech4people   3/28/2012 2:39:13 PM
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Bolaji,

I don't know if that is the case.

If it is the case that Huawei threw in the towel on America primarily because they got exasparated by hostility/opposition to them selling their products in America then the  Biggest loser is the US Economy(& especially the Taxpayer) as it means one less Market player/competitor and ultimately less choice for consumers and Taxpayers.

Ultimately Competition benefits everybody by reducing slack in the system and encouraging innovation.

Its most most unfortunate that a Major Player had to exit the US market for this reason .

Ashish.

 

Bolaji Ojo
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Re: Now America kicks out Huawei...
Bolaji Ojo   3/28/2012 6:55:01 PM
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But it is true in the case of Huawei. When you have the door repeatedly slammed in your face it may not make sense to keep knocking on the door. It may be better to call first and resolve the problem with your expected host. Perhaps Huawei just wants to regroup. As you noted, though, the loss is bigger at the customers but the government has other considerations too and we shouldn't wave aside concerns about national security implications.

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Re: Now America kicks out Huawei...
tech4people   3/29/2012 3:45:21 AM
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Bolaji,

As I have previously stated;the only information I have on this case is what the media provides me with-I do not have any special Access to either US Govt Research or Files(which may/maynot clearly show the Security threat from Huawei's products);I also have No Special Access to Huawei's Security Code as well their software which can tell me descively whether or not there is Malware/Spyware embedded in their products.Neither do I have any insight into how their Senior Management thinks and exactly why they made this decision.

The Statement given in the Media(NYT) clearly states that Huawei was forced to exit their US JV because of "Threat of Increased US Govt Oversight".

You could potentially spin that in any number of ways

One)They actually don't want to expose their Code/Technology to increased Govt scrutiny because it actually has Spyware embedded in it.

Two)This is a way for  Huawei's US Management  to save face in front of the parent company in China in light of their failure to Generate Sufficent Deals despite the obvious Investments pumped into the US.

Three)They just want to re-group and re-think their US Strategy before re-entering the US Market with US specific products.

or Four)The US Govt put real pressure on them to exit the American Market immediately(for Non-National Security reasons-Protectionism).The Chinese are known to be extremely polite about these issues.

As I said before I don't have any special insight into either the US Govt or Huawei so I have to go with what the Media says here.

If it is either Reasons One,Two or Three;I am fine with it.But if it is Reason Four then I think its most unfortunate.

Regards

Ashish.

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Australia is not the first but neither will it be the last.
tech4people   3/28/2012 10:43:46 AM
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As I had posted on this issue here previously;

http://www.ebnonline.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=247319&piddl_msgid=597013#msg_597013

Australia is not the first and neither will it be the last to bar Huawei from competing for Telecom Contracts Globally.

Part of the reason is Legitimate Security concerns,Part of the reason is under pressure from Domestic Concerns(protectionism) and part of it is unneccesary fear of the Rising Power of the Chinese Economy.

Its important that countries sit down and analyse this event in its totality.

Because as this article below from the Financial Times clearly states,China is too important for some of the Biggest(& Fastest) Growing countries in the world today including Australia,Brazil,Korea,Taiwan,India,Indonesia,Singapore,Russia,      The US ,Japan and Germany.

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/03/26/936551/china-as-the-worlds-unreliable-importer/

Only a foolish Politician will try to antagonize the Chinese today without offering Legitimate Reasons for it.

Because the backlash on their own economy would be most devastating today.

Regards

Ashish.



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