Another Blow to Nokia

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owen
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NOKIA Drops to new 16 year low @ 2.08
owen   6/28/2012 2:49:45 PM
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Do I hear any bids, how about Huawei @ 7.8 Billion, interested?  

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syedzunair   6/26/2012 1:25:16 PM
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tirlapur: I would agree with you. Nokia definitely has some good features including battery life, camera and CPU's. However, like you said they have hampered their sales due to the lack of OS options. Since, windows mobile and symbian OS have failed to capture the market as iOS and Android. Nokia is loosing its market share because of the lack of mobile OS platforms. 

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tirlapur   6/26/2012 11:38:22 AM
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The focus should be on improving sales in its segment rather than on seeking a safer business.

@Bolaji, I totally agree with you.I believe Nokia's core strength is its hardware. I am impressed with the Nokia mobile's battery life and camera picture quality. All Nokia needs to do is to adopt multiple OS so that OS is not the bottleneck for its growth. 

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Re: Is Microsoft really hurting Nokia?
Mr. Roques   6/26/2012 10:59:46 AM
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So why aren't Lumia phones going out with Windows 8? Wasnt' this the entire reason of the alliance?

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Bolaji Ojo   6/26/2012 9:05:21 AM
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Tirlapur, I agree. Nokia is in trouble but it is still a formidable company and it would be in even more trouble if it leaves the phone business. There are no "safe" businesses anywhere. The company is taking steps to recover and it has a chance of recovering if costs go down and sales go up. The focus should be on improving sales in its segment rather than on seeking a safer business.

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Bolaji Ojo   6/26/2012 9:01:56 AM
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Owen, The deal would make sense for Microsoft. If only for the patents Nokia has. Microsoft would have to pay a nice premium but even a 30 percent to 40 percent premium would still be nice for Microsoft. For Nokia, the offer might be too painful to accept but look at what is happening currently to RIM. I don't believe Nokia will fall into the same hole but it's not gaining traction right now and this could be a way out.

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owen   6/26/2012 8:05:01 AM
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(Excerpt from a recent article published by Forbes re: Microsoft acquisition of Nokia)

           A few data points to consider :

    .  Nokia is now valued at almost exactly what they paid for the Navteq mapping business        in 2007. (They bought it for $8.1 billion.)

    .  Microsoft paid $8.5 billion for Skype, more than the current market cap of Nokia.

    .  Google paid $12.5 billion for Motorola Mobility, which has far lower market share in the        mobile phone market than Nokia.

    .  Nokia at the end of the first quarter had about $6 billion in net cash...

    .  ...which means the company's patents and ongoing business are carrying a valuation of        just $2.2 billion.

    .  HP paid $1.2 billion for Palm. Just sayin'.

    .  Nokia has by its own calculation 10,000 "patent families."

    .  Microsoft recently paid $1 billion for more than 800 patents from AOL.

If Microsoft were to buy Nokia, they could draw down some of their massive pile of overseas cash, which can't be used for U.S. acquisitions or to pay dividends or buy back stock without incurring a huge U.S. tax liability. (That was one of the attractions of the Skype deal.)

 

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tirlapur   6/26/2012 7:36:24 AM
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Is it possible that Nokia will leave the phone business and reinvent itself into a safer business?

@Hospice_Houngbo, I dont think its good idea to leave the phone business at this juncture. Nokia is still spending on new Product Development in China. Looks like Nokia is still optimistic about emerging markets.

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Re: Is Microsoft really hurting Nokia?
tirlapur   6/26/2012 7:26:29 AM
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we are not certain if Nokia would have been any better without that alliance with Microsoft.

@Hospice, I think Nokia would have been in better postition if they had adopted Android instead of MS. Nokia wasted precious 2 years of development time instead of capturing the smartphone market.

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Re: Is Microsoft really hurting Nokia?
Himanshugupta   6/26/2012 5:06:18 AM
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@Hospice_, Nokia's collaboration with Microsoft has not been fruitful. Nokia abandoned their OS in the hope that they can rely totally on MS and the two will be good partners as together they have hardware and software expertise. Now MS launching their own hardware devices, Nokia will be in a lurch. 

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