Plasma Loses Share of US TV Market

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t.alex   8/11/2012 1:45:25 AM
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Nowadays if we need to buy a new TV, it is either an LCD or an LED. Plasma consumes power and does not last long.

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anandvy   8/11/2012 3:02:53 PM
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Nowadays if we need to buy a new TV, it is either an LCD or an LED.

@t.alex, Soon we will see flexible displays, microtiles, 360-degree displays, 3D, OLED, FOLED, holographic displays -- these are the possible future of display technology.

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t.alex   8/11/2012 9:18:00 PM
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anandvy, wow that is a whole lot of new display technologies! Which one do you think is the most trendy one ?

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Re: Led tv
anandvy   8/12/2012 1:31:50 AM
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@t.alex, I am personally quite interested in Translucent LCD's. Translucent LCD displays are beginning to be tested by various owners using a variety of applications. These displays are etched into a clear glass. There is no backlight so the screen is transparent. So using Translucent LCD's banks/retail shops can display advertisements even on plain windows.

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Re: Led tv
t.alex   8/12/2012 1:57:00 AM
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How is the quality of translucent LCD as compared to traditional ones ?

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Re: Led tv
mfbertozzi   8/12/2012 11:33:24 AM
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@t.alex: well, I am not so expert, but it is generally recognized that the big step forward in treating translucent signal has been achieved by adopting LED technology which is made on the basis of small polymer molecule and then doable to increase quality of running photograms; speaking for myself, I believe there will be a positive trend of the market for LED smart TV, it is in line with an adiacent market as green market is.

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Adeniji Kayode   8/11/2012 11:18:23 PM
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@t.alex,

you are right, but does people with desire for large screens have a choice except if the LED now have large screen well above 42inch.

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RE : Plasma Loses Share of US TV Market
anandvy   8/11/2012 3:02:58 PM
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Plasma's share of all TV types available at US retailers fell to 13.3 percent in July, down from 14.9 percent in June and from 15 percent in July 2011

@Barbara, thanks for the post. I am curious to know if this trend is limited to US or is this happening in other countries as well ? And what will be the impact of introduction of Apple TV on this  TV market?

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Led and plasma
elctrnx_lyf   8/11/2012 9:51:34 PM
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I believe with the price reduction of LED tv's, recent advancements in picture quality improvements and very less power consumption has generated more demand for Led tv's. But the plasma on other side has disadvantages in terms of cost. And new technologies like AMOLED will coming bigway into the market during next two to three years.

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Re: Led and plasma
Adeniji Kayode   8/11/2012 11:24:32 PM
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@elctrnx_iyf,

You are right on that, the new technology is putting Plasma behind now, besides, LED is becoming the main thing now with so much value for money.

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Re: Led and plasma
nimantha.d   8/12/2012 12:08:16 AM
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A classic example of not synchronizing with the technology and technology is the main requirement of the users. If there is a demand for new stuff why do you lag and sell old technologgy ?

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Jacob   8/13/2012 2:33:11 AM
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Barbara, is there any scope for Plasma TV? Lots of innovations and R&D are going on with TV display systems. The latest offerings are LED TV, 3D LED TV and the Android based Smart TV etc. Maybe by tomorrow something else with better technology may come. When technology is moving from one to the next, the existence or survival for the old technology is difficult.

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WaqasAltaf   8/14/2012 3:55:05 AM
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@ Jacob

I find your concern about plasma technology valid. The buzz in the market among adventurous users is about 3D LED TVs and smartphones' screens. Secondly, manufacturers have to focus on what the consumers are demanding rather than a technology that has been around for a decade now.

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Jacob   8/16/2012 12:12:20 AM
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Waqas, now smart TVs are also common in market. It's an Android based TV with internet connection and web browsing facility. In most of such TVs there is no need of even remote control also; all are working on gesture recognition algorithms, where you can flag your hands and fingers for various operations.  The technology has grown that much and in such situation, whether anybody prefers plasma is a big question.

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None talking about plasmas
WaqasAltaf   8/14/2012 3:47:26 AM
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It has been quite a time since I have heard anyone talking about plasma. Surely, the LCD market is a dominant one. With most consumers already having decent SD TV sets in their homes and also being satisfied with the images and sounds they witness, they are only bound to buy LCDs when they find their model too old. Nowhere does plasmas come in. Increase in prices will further demotivate users.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   8/16/2012 12:17:31 AM
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waqas, LCD may also outdating very soon. According to the recent market survey, the sale of LED TV may overcome the LCD market share by first or second quarter of 2013. Now the price of LED TVs are on little bit higher side, but compare with the savings in power consumption and bulk production advantages, its prices can be come down further.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Adeniji Kayode   8/16/2012 1:01:17 PM
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@Jacob,

I agree with you on that. One technology will always superceed the other.

If LCD is benching Plasma, Soon LED will bench LCD then the android tv will have it season too.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   8/21/2012 5:40:05 AM
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Adeniji, it's a common phenomenon. Otherwise we have to satisfy with the old technology and products. Now Smart Tvs with android OS are common, what should be the next? Is the question.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Adeniji Kayode   8/21/2012 6:17:19 AM
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Big question Jacob, It may not have come to mind now what the next technology will be or look like but all I know is that there will always be the "Next".

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Re: None talking about plasmas
WaqasAltaf   8/16/2012 10:09:23 PM
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@ jacob

"but compare with the savings in power consumption and bulk production advantages, its prices can be come down further."

I suspect that the difference in prices of both the technologies, LCD and LED, can be overcome by the savings in power consumption due to LED usage. For residential users, the cost differential might take years to recover based on power consumption pattern. However, for corporate LED customers that make calculations for the long run, they may consider the savings seriously in decision making.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   8/21/2012 5:37:26 AM
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Waqas, agreed. I meant in general that the power consumption in LED Tv is less when compare with the other Tvs. Picture clarity is also too good in LED TV. Anyway, I don’t think there won’t be much market for LED because technologies are changing every day. Now a day’s the average life of technology is 2-3 years.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
WaqasAltaf   8/21/2012 11:28:13 PM
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@ Jacob

Now a day's the average life of technology is 2-3 years.

I'l agree with you on that. Its quite surprising when companies like Sony and Samsung report loses but they do that quite often. Due to short life of the technology these day, they are bound to take huge risks and its not surprising that small revenue falls often result in loses. Newcomers cannot survive that.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   8/23/2012 6:06:57 AM
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Waqas, you are right. Companies are investing billions of dollars' in R&D and before getting the ROI, new technologies are evolving. Now companies are also very cautious and they had shortcut the R&D investments. The best example is Android consortium, where Samsung, LG, Nokia, Google etc are the investors, so there is no individual R&D from each company.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
WaqasAltaf   8/23/2012 12:29:47 PM
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@ Jacob

You highlighted a great idea of joint-investments in R&D. Its quite a surprise that once fierce competitors, Nokia and Samsung, are joining hands to ensure that they get the maximum benefits out of research which wont be as effective if they do it individually. 

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   9/3/2012 5:45:14 AM
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Waqas, it's a reality. Android is a consortium by Google, Nokia, Samsung, LG etc, similarly, I know some of the companies have similar hardware collaborative R&D projects (our company is also doing hardware R&D collaborative with 2 other companies, who are in same line of business). From customer point of view, we may think they are competitors, but behind the stage all are friends.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Wale Bakare   9/3/2012 8:59:32 AM
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I think Google, Nokia and Samsung synergy worthwhile in that context. Especially with the market struggling of Nokia, it stands to benefit more in the partnership both innovatively and financially.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   9/10/2012 5:37:51 AM
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Wale, during the financial crisis and market down time, as a part of cost cutting instead of closing the R&D facility: some of the companies had done collaborative each other for R&D, which can be beneficial mutually. This will help them to minimize the R&D expenses and the outcomes can be shared among them for technical benefits. Without R&D, no new products can introduce to markets.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
WaqasAltaf   9/9/2012 1:58:50 AM
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@ Jacob

"Android is a consortium by Google, Nokia, Samsung, LG etc, "

I was unaware that Nokia is a partner in Android consortium as well. It surprised me also because these days Nokia is on the verge of adopting Microsoft's OS. So does it mean that Nokia is backing out of the Android consortium or is it adopting the strategy of foot in 2 boats ?

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Re: None talking about plasmas
t.alex   9/9/2012 5:23:06 AM
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Is it true Nokia is also participating in the Android consortium ? I suppose it already ditched Android to go for Windows.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   9/10/2012 5:32:32 AM
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Waqas, Nokia is also a contributor for Android consortium. But in between they left the consortium for windows and release Nokia Smartphones with Windows OS. That's one of the big mistake they had done.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Wale Bakare   8/23/2012 6:18:04 PM
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Yeah, consortium not bad idea though. But any high -tech business running away from R&D is taking a bigger risk. I would prefer staying and spending more in research & development than continue to maroon in an island of technology. If that happens playing catch-up would not be enough, i think.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   9/3/2012 5:41:06 AM
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Wale, technically you are right. if they are not able to get ROI from R&D, what's the feasible way. That's the one reason most of the companies shortcut the R&D expenses and centers. For last couple of years, for minimizing the expenses, all most all companies started their cost cutting from R&D centers.

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Wale Bakare   9/3/2012 8:52:37 AM
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Jacob, i agree with you. What do you think of those companies means of cutting-back solely targeting reduction in number of employees and expenses on R&D? Does that mean identifying weakest link and less-performing areas within those companies much more difficult or headcount has often been reviewed as the best method?

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Re: None talking about plasmas
Jacob   9/10/2012 5:29:47 AM
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Wale, when undergoing financial crises, the first cut comes from R&D section. They may close the R&D section and either transfer or rearrange employees to some other sections or even lay off in certain conditions. I don’t think that’s the best method, I strongly believes that without R&D, none of the companies can withstand for a long period. Otherwise they have to copy similar products from competitor.

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Plasma vs. LCD
Eldredge   8/14/2012 6:24:11 AM
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A few years ago, I purchased a plasma TV because I liked the picture better, and the cost was competitive. It sounds like improvements in LCD technology and a lack of ability to drive cost out of the plasma technology has forced plasma into a decreasing niche market.

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Re: Plasma vs. LCD
Adeniji Kayode   8/14/2012 7:26:15 AM
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@Eldredge,

I agree with you on that,improvements made on LCD really justify the cost.

Could there be a kind of innovation or inprovements in Plasma tv too or it might be heading towards extinction just like CRT.

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Re: Plasma vs. LCD
Eldredge   8/14/2012 11:16:14 AM
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@Adeniji - I suspect that plasma is just a more costly technology, and unless it maintains an advantage with large screens, will eventually be pushed out of the market.



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