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Ned Ludd
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Re: Difference bt 20th and 21st century
Ned Ludd   6/20/2012 7:35:46 AM
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Every serious study done about the sort of people who invent things suggests that they are not especially adaptable to altered business practices that cross millenial lines. Inventors, as determined in the Fifties by John Jewkes (The Sources of Invention) and reiterated by Ketteringham & Nayak (Breakthroughs) in the Eighties, are more often than not anti-authoritarian, typically reclusive, unresponsive to the demands and expectations of management, don't give a rat's patoot about budgets and prefer to commune very closely with small trusted teams who work in the same building, not another continent. Human contact, especially when the humans in question are brilliant but eccentric, temperamental and mildly paranoid, is essential to what Arthur Koestler called the act of creation. And close contact between R&D and production is the only way that a mere invention becomes a successful product. Long-distance coordination might succeed for a while, but eventually, inevitably, almost organically, the idea people and the hands-on people will end up in the same physical space, working together -- else the whole enterprise goes, in technical terms, kaflooey. (Benjamin)

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Difference bt 20th and 21st century
Himanshugupta   6/19/2012 10:01:42 AM
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The major difference, in the way companies do business, between the 20th and 21st century is the way the companies have been able to improve the communications and collaboration between subsidiaries in various part of the world. While having manufacturing in one continent, design team in another continent, R&D in yet another continent and Company's headoffice somewhere else was not possible in last century; this is happening today. Invention has different route today so i do not think that what had not happen in last century cannot happen in this century.

 

 

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Barbara Jorgensen   6/18/2012 4:30:47 PM
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I gotta step in here and second what Ariella says: I don't think ethnicity or gender has any place in a discussion about business. In the words of Rodney King, who just passed away, "Can't we all just get along?"

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Re: The rise and fall of manufacturing in the US
Ariella   6/18/2012 3:42:00 PM
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@chipmonk While I do not claim historical expertise, attributing certain personality traits to specific ethnicities smacks of stereotyping, possibly even racism. That captains of industry tended to be ruthless types does not necessarily reflect on where their ancestors came from. I also don't quite get what you are hinting at about "radical feminism" in your previous comment. 

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Re: The rise and fall of manufacturing in the US
chipmonk   6/18/2012 2:54:06 PM
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sugestion : go read the history of US railroads ( the major industry in the 19 th and early 20 th century ) and then do a statistical analyses of the ethnic origin of the major players and their modus operandi.

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Re: The rise and fall of manufacturing in the US
Ariella   6/18/2012 1:09:28 PM
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@chipmonk it's an interesting theory, but I' do have problems with  it. From what I've seen, the biggest names in industry from the days before income taxes and labor regulations were all American born. Some had Dutch ancestors and some had ancestors from other places. So it does not seem that one nationality with a predefined style of capitalism dominated. If anything, it seems that their styles reflected the America of the time. And Wall Street did not only enter the picture in the late 20th Century. I also really fail to see how you can blame "radical feminism" for what happened to blue collar work. 

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chipmonk   6/18/2012 12:56:06 PM
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Yes I too am familiar with the Frick history but you do realize that his onetime boss Carnegie the Scottish immigrant, was so very different. So my central point, that might have escaped you, was that even capitalism ( or what we call Capitalism ) varies greatly from one Western country to another. Compared to the US our neighbors to the North have a far more socialized system because of the large number of Scots that were prominent in setting down its laws and systems. The US in contrast have far too many people from the North of England ( especially in our South ) who since QE I have used Free Market as a cover for crimes against humanity around the world for which others got condemned to death at Nuremberg. What we have in the US now ( i,e. since Reagan ) is a Double Jeopardy due to the fusion between this group and Wall St. / New York shysters who spend ( like the Koch brothers ) to mislead / incite their own victims ( the Tea Party ). Their traditional opponents ( blue collar labor ) have been betrayed by turncoats / emasculated by radical feminism.

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Ariella   6/18/2012 10:30:44 AM
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@chipmonk  I have to confess that I don't know much about the history of industry in US other than the fact that at its heyday, the peole who headed the hugely successful companies were known as "robber-barons." One of those was Henry Clary Frick, for which the Frick Collection is named, as the museum is housed in his New York mansion. He was American born and actually did not start out on his own but by working with Carnegie. Undoubtedly, he was a success, but he was thorougly ruthless about labor demands and strikes. It seems to me that regulations that improved the situation for workers also made the business less lucrative for owners, which likely was a factor in the decline of such industry.

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Re: The rise and fall of manufacturing in the US
_hm   6/16/2012 11:24:26 AM
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@David: Very good story. I also agree with @Chipmonk. But government must get involved to protect interest of their people.

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The rise and fall of manufacturing in the US
chipmonk   6/15/2012 11:39:49 AM
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All that Benjamin writes about the rise and fall of various manufacturing industries in the US are sad but true. Having worked in both the US Steel and Semiconductor industries in R&D and Management it is clear that the common root cause for this pattern are the current hierarchy of the US society and the resulting economic system.

This sort of thing does not happen in German speaking ( Germany, Switzerland, Austria ) or Scandinavian countires. They still buy consumer products made mostly by their own people even when it costs more that cheaper imports. They also invest a lot more on a per capita basis in industrial R&D and expand into new areas. Recently Germany has built itself a nice little business in fab tools for photo-voltaic panels.  

Even the Japanese themselves still prefer consumer electronics built in Nihon. They are xferring to So. Korea ( and ultimately to China ) only what they used to export to the US, all due to the same root cause - having to deal with the US consumer who behave like rats in a cage and the powerful Mafia that put them in that cage using their grip on both Hollywood and Harvard ! The Germans and Japanese do not care much for this Mafia and as history shows would rather not do any business with them. 

Within the US from Pennsylvania to the upper Mid West were populated mostly by folks from Germany and Scandinavia and they are the ones who made the US the agricultural and manufacturing powerhouse it used to be. But leveraging the sympathy / carte blanche they gained post WW II, the coastal Mafia has ruthlessly emasculated Mid Western industries ( by denying investment to modernize older technology e,g. in steel and auto ), appropriated their cultures ( Beethoven and Mozart were Germans not from Brooklyn ! ), ridiculed and marginalized responsible but staid Germanic cultures and now denigrate the Mid West as "fly over country", much to the detriment of the US as a whole.

Only highly manipulative industries like finance, insurance, healthcare, education, entertainment and pornography have any long term prospects in the US so long as the Mafia rules.   

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