'Market Forces' Can't & Won't Protect Public Interest

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Mr. Roques
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Re: If the government could solve problems, there wouldn't be any problems.
Mr. Roques   10/31/2012 5:34:45 PM
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It asks you if you're driving : if you say you are a passenger, it allows you to use it. If not, it blocks out. 

Probably everyone selects "im the passenger", even if they're driving but its probably a legal/moral issue... sort of a disclaimer.

Himanshugupta
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Re: If the government could solve problems, there wouldn't be any problems.
Himanshugupta   9/30/2012 8:42:35 AM
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Mr. Roques, i did not quite understand the app that you're using. So, what does app do depending on your response? 

I think people have a funny sense to protect themselves. People will protect themselves from rain even though getting wet may have not so severe consequences but they do little or nothing to protect themselves from accidents.

Barbara Jorgensen
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common sense apps
Barbara Jorgensen   9/27/2012 3:05:57 PM
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Mr. R: Who even would have thought that something so innocuous and useful as a cell phone would end up being a cause of death? You are right in that manufacturers' ability to warn people and control their actions is limited.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Not so common
Barbara Jorgensen   9/27/2012 3:01:39 PM
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@himan: I didn't know that either. But I never use instant coffee.

Himanshugupta
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Himanshugupta   9/27/2012 1:48:48 PM
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Barbara, i agree with your statement that we cannot legislate common sense. Companies need to protect themselves by warning people not to do certain things (even though some are common sense). But with the advance technology that we use, sometimes common sense may not be that common. for example, i did not know that its dangerous to boil water or milk for coffee in microwave as the air remains trapped in the liquid and when coffee powder is poured in the liquid then the liquid starts to boil uncontrollably. I do not know if someone does not know such things can sue the company?

Mr. Roques
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Mr. Roques   9/27/2012 11:58:00 AM
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Its funny how we norrmally have to go out of our way to get people to take care of themselves (motorcycle drivers wearing helmets, drivers using seatbelts, etc).

I have a few apps that notice that I'm moving and ask if I'm driving or only a passenger and based on my response, block the app or not. What else can they do?

Barbara Jorgensen
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Another layer to the discussion
Barbara Jorgensen   9/27/2012 9:44:40 AM
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I think one of the reasons we see so many governments getting involved in these regulations is litigation. In some of the examples cited by our readers, regulations were a direct result of a lawsuit. I might be wrong, but weren't smoking bans an offshoot of "smoking is dangerous..."? and smoker lawsuits? I just read somewhere that a guy was awarded damages becuase he ate 10 bags of microwave popcorn everyday and developed health problems. SERIOUSLY? (That could be an oversimplification: I recently watched a documentary on the McDonald's hot coffee suit and it is very different from the way it has been reported.) At any rate, you can't legislate common sense.  Sadly, you have to protect yourself from people that don't have it!

One of my all-time favorite warnings: "Do not put the battery in to the microwave."

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Hospice_Houngbo   9/26/2012 11:15:40 PM
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@Nud,

"Appropriately, that mediator usually turns out to be a public institution, the government."

Can we trust the government as a mediator? The governent is well known as a regulator enforcing compliance rules and facilitating transactions.

Ned Ludd
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Ned Ludd   9/26/2012 5:42:56 PM
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I think Barbara made the most salient point. Regulation isn't about your personal freedom, or even the responsibility of the corporation. It's about other people, bystanders, the public. When people use or misuse a product in a way that endangers or even annoys other people, neither the maker nor the user of the product is can be trusted to intervene on behalf of everybody else. A mediator is required to defend the publc interest. Appropriately, that mediator usually turns out to be a public institution, the government.

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wagnert in atlanta   9/26/2012 5:22:20 PM
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I do not have a religious faith in corporate benevolence.  I have a deeply ingrained suspicion of both the effectiveness and desirability of governmental regulation.  Far too much of it is aimed at helping people who don't want -- and don't need -- to be helped.  Bloomberg's anti-Big Gulp, anti-saturated fat, make-restaurants-put-calories-on-the-menu diktats are an excellent example.  They don't help fat people, but they inconvenience everyone. 

Why should it be the responsibility of a manufacturer to say, "Don't use our product in an idiotic fashion"?  And why doesn't it stretch to all manufacturers?  Should tobacco companies say, "Don't use our product at all"?  Cellphone manufacturers are good guys when they say, "Don't text while driving."  Shouldn't publishers say, "Don't read while driving?"  Where are the ads from knife makers saying, "Don't cut yourself on our product'?  Should tool makers be required to advertise, "Don't hit yourself with our hammers, don't cut your finger off with our saws?" 

Why, in our Great Republic, is Joe Average considered to be bright enough to choose his leaders but too stupid to understand that fire burns, water drowns and knives are sharp?  Sure, there are those who don't understand these things and get hurt, but whence cometh the notion that it's the government's mission to protect every man from himself and severely annoy the rest of us in the process.

Let me point out that seat belt laws never saved a life.  Using seat belts saves lives.  Plenty of people are still sitting on their seat belts, and the great majority of them will never be fined, because the cost to local governments in time, effort and lost elections is too great.  It's just one more of those laws that can be invoked if you piss off a cop.  I mean, how can you prove in court that you did have your belt on?

The worst of these well-meaning, stupid regulations produce vanishingly small benefits and monstrous annoyance.  They are hailed by those who love laws for their own sake, not for the social good they may do.  The rest of us modify Lincoln's, "As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master," to "I don't want to be a nanny and I don't want to be nannied."

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