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Susan Fourtané
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Re: Articluated Dogma?
Susan Fourtané   1/9/2013 5:57:53 AM
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Ariella, 

Well, there is a good possibility. If I try to reasoning about it taking as a starting point the question "why would somone would keep a gun at home?", and then I connect some dots, I have to come up to that conclusion. That leads to another question: why wouldn't citizens rely on the police for protection? There is always a reason behind a fact, right? 

Yes, I know about some of those volunteer programs. I have a friend there who took a course as a law enforcement volunteer. Maybe I could ask him, too. 

It would be interesting to see data about the level of corruption and crime in different areas in comparison with the number of guns. For instance, you mentioned that in your area most of the people don't own a gun. So I deducted that most likely your area has to be a quite safe area, with less crime, and less need for self-protection. Maybe the local police acts faster, and more efficiently, too. 

-Susan 

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Ariella   1/8/2013 3:24:50 PM
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@Susan  Now I never thought of it quite this way, but now that you bring it up, it is possible they think of it as a form of self-sufficiency that parallels some of the other community's efforts to help in an emergency. There are organizations for volunteer EMTs and even roadside assistance in New York precisely because the standard ones available take so long to get there. Perhaps they view guns in the same way, a self-service solution when it takes too long for the police to arrive to rely on them for protection. 

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Susan Fourtané   1/8/2013 2:33:15 PM
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Ariella, 

The bit I commented on from the article was about the total amount of guns in the country. But it is certainly very nice that most people in your area don't own a gun. That also means that they feel safe, and there is no trouble. 

I wonder if the fact of buying guns to feel safe has also something to do with how people feel about the police? 

-Susan 

 

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Susan Fourtané   1/8/2013 1:29:24 PM
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Ariella, 

Yes, that's an excellent question. As I said, there has to be responsibility and common sense when deciding which public data goes in print, in which one could cause damage to the individuals if it goes in print, like this case of the Google map of gun owners. It's like sending an open letter to the burglars with all the addresses and details they need to go and do "their job". 

-Susan

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Ariella   1/8/2013 10:55:39 AM
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@Susan Where I live, I don't think I'm in the minority. I believe most people around here do not own guns. I have heard of some people who do own guns a couple of town over. I believe they obtained them because there was quite a bit of crime there, and they believed they needed protection. But those were just a handful of people.  

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Susan Fourtané   1/8/2013 10:20:00 AM
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Thanks, Ariella. 

It's very interesting what you found. If all or most of the data concerning guns is secret data all or most of the conversation around the topic is mostly based on assumptions, or in speculation. Oh, well. 

I find the following quite alarming: "According to the Congressional Research Service, in 2009 there were an estimated 310 million firearms in the United States (not including weapons on military bases), of which 114 million were handguns, 110 million were rifles, and 86 million were shotguns. The current population of the United States, according to the Census, is around 314 million." 

This only means that you are part of the little 4 million who don't own a gun of some sort. 

-Susan

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Ariella   1/8/2013 10:11:47 AM
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@Susan Yes, I believe that he saw there was an implicit threat to those households whose addresses would be published. And that is something to consider: is all information that is considered public to be publicized in print?

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Susan Fourtané   1/8/2013 10:05:46 AM
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Ariella, 

I agree with Dennis Sant here:" "In Putnam County I have over 11,000 pistol permit holders, and I refuse to put their lives and their families' lives in danger," County Clerk Dennis Sant told The New York Times, regarding the The Journal News' request for the public information."

The fact that some information is public doesn't mean that the ones in charge of it don't have to be responsible, and act according to some common sense according to the individual situations. 

-Susan

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Susan Fourtané   1/8/2013 9:56:36 AM
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Ariella, 

I understand that county office that refused to reveal the data for the gun map. Not easy topic. As much as I am not for guns, I believe a gun map helps no one but burglars. Maybe to go and steal them, as you mentioned below, yes. Gee! What a mess. 

-Susan

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Re: Articluated Dogma?
Ariella   1/8/2013 9:42:14 AM
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@Susan as for the problems with accurate data, though who has a permit for a gun is a matter of public record, publicizing that fact is a different matter. That came up recently when a paper did publish a map of gun owners. As I mentioned a few comments back, guns are often stolen by burglars, and it is possible that the homes that contain arms would be more tempting as targets. One New York county office refused to release that information to the Journal News that wished to publish it. TechCrunch carried the story here: http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/02/ny-county-defies-law-refuses-to-release-gun-permit-info-for-controversial-google-map/

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