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Ariella
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Re: Articluated Dogma?
Ariella   1/8/2013 9:35:15 AM
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@Susan I found this: 

According to the Congressional Research Service, in 2009 there were an estimated 310 million firearms in the United States (not including weapons on military bases), of which 114 million were handguns, 110 million were rifles, and 86 million were shotguns. The current population of the United States, according to the Census, is around 314 million.

A separate calculation by the Government Accountability Office estimated that 118 million handguns were available for sale to, or were possessed by, civilians in the United States in 2010.

It's impossible to know for certain how many guns are in private hands because there is no central firearms registry. The 1986 McClure-Volkmer Act forbids the federal government from establishing any "system of registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearms transactions or distribution." And the 1993 Brady Act prohibits the establishment of any electronic registry of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions...........

A 2005 data review done by a panel of criminologists, statisticians, and epidemiologists for the National Research Council concluded that there is a lack of reliable data and "in some instances-firearms violence prevention, for example-there are no data at all."
The NRC report said that "none of the existing data sources, by itself or in combination with others, provides comprehensive, timely, and accurate data needed to answer many important questions pertaining to the role of firearms in violent events."
The panel reported that "even some of the most basic descriptive questions cannot be answered with existing data." It cited such unanswered questions as:
• What proportion of suicide or homicide victims were under the care of a mental health professional? What proportion of those victims were intoxicated at the time of death?
• In what proportion of spouse or intimate-partner homicides committed with a gun does the offender take his own life or the lives of the victim's children or protectors?
• Did the number of people shot with "assault weapons" change after Congress enacted the 1994 ban on certain types of such weapons?


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rohscompliant   1/8/2013 9:33:13 AM
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I do not own a gun, do not want a gun, but firmly believe that gun ownership is a constitutional right, I am small government, and firmly believe that whenever gvt sticks it's nose in my business things only get worse....that being said......talk to the kids @ VA Tech that are not allowed to carry guns on campus, look at the massacre in CO @ the movie theatre, also Fort Hood ............all were 'gun free zones'.......the perps knew it and took advantage of it......I am not a fan of guns in schools either but look into the small county in TX (outside of Houston I believe) that has a in school system policy of an administrator or teacher anonomously allowed to carry a gun. Only the school committe and superintendent know who is allowed to carry that gun. The public knows of the policy and more parents outside the district are trying to get their kids into that system...........i would be happy to take odds that a gun violent crime will not be committed in that school district........vermon that committ these crimes are just that ...vermon! And cowards! They will not attempt their heinous cowardly acts where THEY KNOW someone may be carrying a gun.

Gun prohobition is not a solution.......knives, bats, auto's, poison they are all potentialy assult weapons, ....oh and lest we forget .......jet airliners loaded w/ passangers and jet fuel ..........give it some thought.

Can a box cutter be an assault weapon???

Susan Fourtané
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Re: Articluated Dogma?
Susan Fourtané   1/8/2013 8:59:56 AM
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Ariella, 

Yes, a while after having written the comment I was wondering if I should start asking my American friends if they own a gun, something like a little research to get a basic stats --at least from my friends-- about this. 

-Susan 

Ariella
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Re: Articluated Dogma?
Ariella   1/8/2013 8:49:01 AM
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@Susan I'm sure most Americans don't own guns. I'll try to find the stats on that.  In states like New York, there are very strict laws surrounding gun permits, which are not cheap and have to be renewed regularly. Also the permits that residents of New York obtain only allow them to keep a gun at home or at work, not to carry it on them. 

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Re: Articluated Dogma?
Susan Fourtané   1/8/2013 5:23:40 AM
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Ariella, 

You must be one of the few Americans who doesn't own a gun. I appreciate your not owning one. 

I don't get involved in the debate about gun ownership, and didn't and don't want to get involved in any discussion about the results of owning guns and using them in the 21st century.

However, I enjoy Clint Eastwood movies and TV shows. I just refuse to understand the fact that it seems like in some places nothing has changed since the times those movies and TV shows are depicting. 

-Susan 

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Barbara Jorgensen   1/7/2013 4:20:30 PM
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Setting aside the emotional component--as if anyone possibly could--the NRA's assertion that adding more guns to school grounds is absurd. Many gun fatalities come from accidental use of nearby guns or one's own gun being used against the owner. So let's make guns more accessible by putting them at the doors to schools rather than in someone's home. At least gun manufacturers will sell more guns...

The one big difference I can see regarding Prohibition is, prohibition and drug laws are targeted at substances that harm the user first--bystanders are harmed if users become mobile. Guns are designed to harm someone or something else as their first and most important use. There is a difference between the protection of self and the protection of others: gun control falls into the latter category, I believe, and therefore people who do not own guns should have a signifiacnt say in the matter.

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Re: Articluated Dogma?
rohscompliant   1/7/2013 3:58:33 PM
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And Diane Feinstein the 'esteemed' Senator from California is married to a man who amassed part of his fortune by legally trading in fire arms and munitions which are mfg'd in China......he is an accomplished arms dealer / broker..........and she is sponsoring an assualt gun ban bill..............oh the hypocrisy of it all........I love these people in DC who think they know far better and what is good and just and fair for thier constituents.

Ariella
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Re: Articluated Dogma?
Ariella   1/7/2013 3:47:44 PM
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I don't own a gun or really get involved in the debate about gun ownership. However, I did have to look into the issue for a piece for a client. Interestingly, guns themselves are often the objects of crime. "About 1.4 million firearms were stolen during household burglaries and other property crimes over the six-year period from 2005 through 2010," according to the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). "This number represents an estimated average of 232,400 firearms stolen each year- about 172,000 stolen during burglaries and 60,300 stolen during other property crimes."

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Re: Articluated Dogma?
rohscompliant   1/7/2013 10:34:50 AM
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When seconds count..............the police are minutes away.

Better to have a gun and not need it...........then to need one and not have one.

Responsible gun ownership!

Eldredge
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Articluated Dogma?
Eldredge   1/5/2013 9:49:45 PM
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"However, in justifying his private arsenal, Eric casually articulated a dogma that's been perpetuated by the National Rifle Association and its allies on Fox News"

David,

Can you identify who on Fox News has articulated the dogma you stated? I don't think that I have heard that.

Also, regarding government, your cognitive dissonance example seems to make the argument that larger government, which becomes more inept, must as a consequence also become more benign, or at least incapable of oppressing it's citizens. Government is very capable of being inept is some areas and oppressive in others.

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