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Hardcore
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Re: It'san attack on the internet concept itself
Hardcore   1/1/2011 5:07:45 AM
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I just wish that the majority of 'hackers'  were 'Intelligent students of Science', unfortunately the large majority are idiot 'script kiddies' utilizing the work of a small group of professional hackers, it is the script kiddies that provide the cover for professional hackers, purely down to the shear number of them , same as in chess a good player sacrifices the pawns. 

Take a professional safe cracker, maybe it would take him years to train up someone with absolutely no knowledge in safes, and ultimately their learning would be limited by their own ability.

 The difference with the internet is that it takes absolutely no skill what soever because computer programs don't work in the same way as existing knowledge systems do. As long as you have half a brain and are able to download a script or program and then run it, it is the executing program that encompasses the knowledge of the original programmer rather than the moron pressing the start button, and therein lies the danger.

We are at a stage where 24/7/365 'bot' programs are continually patrolling network systems, and doing so completely unaided by humans. Within 15-20 minutes of any device being connected to the network, the programs start examining the interfaces for exploits, if an exploit is found the results are compiled into reports and then forwarded to human decision makers.

Ultimately the issue is 'traffic volume', the more traffic there is on the network , the harder they are to detect, when they are detected most are dealt with fairly quickly.

 

 

 

 




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Re: It'san attack on the internet concept itself
Backorder   12/31/2010 8:35:38 AM
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Someone said, there is no good or evil. Only perception makes it so. Though this wouldnt really fit into the overall social scheme of things, I think this brings to the fore the heart and soul of Hacking or Cracking. While, stealing/robbing/violating/hurting/killing people and destroying assets could easily be classified as evil by most, using a technical skill and hard gained knowledge to compete against and eventually defeat a system which tries to keep out the ignorant sounds more like a fun and challenge activity. Hackers are intelligent students of a science and just because they will termed being on the evil side of things, does not stop them from seeking satisfaction from their skills. The more skilled they are the more they are confident of their invincibilty. For them the entire thing is a game where they are competing with the individuals who designed and who mantain the security systems. And who knows, they might be the same people too! And yeah, no one became a skilled hacker because they had evil intentions to start with. People lie, cheat  and steal when they realise they have become competent and powerful. Isnt it true for all walks of life and not just the internet?

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Re: Hackers
Rich Krajewski   12/31/2010 6:40:26 AM
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I remember when customer, inventory, and sales databases were standalone, and not accessible remotely, except by dial-in (the Internet hadn't been invented yet, at least not in the form we know it).

I like to keep my most important information on computers that just don't connect to the Internet.  Though that's not practical where you have to share information on a real-time basis over a wide area, it does solve a lot of problems.

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Re: Hackers
hwong   12/31/2010 2:50:59 AM
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Yes I agree that we have to take security very seriously. I heard that with the popularity of iphone, google have been hacking our privacy such that when we access our bank accounts it catches our passwords. That is so freaking scary. So does that mean that we cannot log in to banks or other important websites via 3G networks?

Hardcore
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Re: Hackers
Hardcore   12/22/2010 8:09:45 PM
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There is a lot of stupidity with wireless networks.

 

I was in a law office the other day getting some contracts signed, tried to get network access to the internet, but the network was locked down tight....

That is until i went into the conference room and in a cupboard was a wireless router , with a strip of paper on top, giving all the Admin and user access settings.

Prior to that I was watching a bank being fitted out, a small  branch single floor. Now to save money on cables and infrastructure they had  installed a wireless router in the secure area then used that to link the individual cashier terminals to the main computer.

I made a mental note NEVER to use that particular bank.

With ineptitude at this level, you really do not need to be much of a hacker to gain access to sensitive computer systems.

 

But again we come back to the way people are, that they seem to think because they own a computer of a mobile phone that somehow they became computer experts, enabled to 'root' the systems and install all manner of unverified software, we see it now with the apple Iphone.

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Bruce Gain   12/21/2010 4:59:56 PM
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I like your analysis. The disparities in security protocols from one enterprise to another has always amazed me. Many IT workers just don't get the resources, either, but they get blamed for attacks.

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Bruce Gain   12/21/2010 4:52:15 PM
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It's funny you brought up IBM. I remember taking a tour of an IBM wafer fab in 2000 and was surprised to learn then that they were using a WiFi network. That was about the time when the first WEP code was cracked (I did not diagnose the security wall at the plant) and so many users and businesses that had WiFi left them unlocked. I imagine IBM sure has learned a lot about security practices since then.

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Re: internet concept itself
Hardcore   12/20/2010 6:57:29 PM
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"Maybe Internet as biggest public and shared contents worldwide repository could have common guidelines on its government.

United Nations Commission on Science andTechnology for Development (CSTD) has created past December 6th a working group on improvements to the Internet Governance Forum (IGF).

Could this help on it or it is only a dream?"


Personally I  would say we need less bureaucrats  sticking their noses in everything, on the whole the internet has done just fine without continual interference from the UN.

The one issue I do see with the Internet, is that for the fist time mankind is putting its reliance in  technology that cannot be reliably archived in the centuries to come.

That is to say you can go digging in Egypt or Greece and find reliable remnants of a civilizations past learning we are now getting past that stage, at some time in the future if there was an 'event' that seriously impacted the infrastructure resulting in its destruction, then mankind would truly be set back further than the dark ages.

None of the learning or technology would be available. (remember 1 dead battery in your mobile phone ,brings your whole communication network crashing down), this will be the issue that dictates our future.

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stochastic excursion   12/20/2010 1:52:41 PM
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Openness adds value to the internet, both for service providers and users.  An example of a middle ground between heavy restrictions and complete access is a gated community model. 

Social networks like Facebook are a good example of this on the application layer: if you have credentials, you're in.  Applying this principle to the network layer, so that a server only recognizes certain IP address, could thwart most denial-of-service attacks.

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mfbertozzi   12/20/2010 11:18:31 AM
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Maybe Internet as biggest public and shared contents worldwide repository could have common guidelines on its government.

United Nations Commission on Science andTechnology for Development (CSTD) has created past December 6th a working group on improvements to the Internet Governance Forum (IGF).

Could this help on it or it is only a dream?

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