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Hardcore
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Re: Apple and Android
Hardcore   2/8/2011 7:48:33 PM
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Perhaps it is my fault for not communicating clearly.

I personally think Bolaji's post is valid and well researched.

Apple would not consider Android,  something I discussed in my first post along with reasons. (specifically cash flow)

On the issue of tablets:

As a user you need to be very very afraid. Issues in the internal construction and interface for the Operating system(OS) are highly serious matters.

They generate leverage points for malicious systems and software which for a portable device is an issue, since not only does it give access to your own personal information, but also a leverage point into any environment where you may carry your portable device.

Say for example your Android system is compromised and then you carry the device into your computing center, thereby bypassing all physical security your company has spent  significant resources in putting in place. That then becomes a potential issue your system administrator finds difficult or impossible to control.

If you 'hang' about a number of the tablet forums, you will notice people are starting to customize the devices, in many cases by downloading  external 'roms' to replace the firmware currently in the tablets.  However you may well notice that many of these 'roms' do not release the source code, this really is a serious threat to computing systems, but unfortunately there are far to many 'joy joy feelings and a prevailing let's stick it to Apple mentality' with this new era of toys, people seem to be forgetting that they are dealing with embedded systems backed by significant storage,networking capability and processing power and to top it off, these new systems do not currently have a viable anti-malware facility.

Just one last point...... do not think or ever consider Google is your Friend, it is a business like any other, the 'Don't do Evil' is a gigantic misnomer.

HC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

t.alex
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Re: Apple and Android
t.alex   2/8/2011 10:25:53 AM
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Bolaji, probably Apple will not adopt Android any time soon. However, is there any chance Apple will make such moves similar what Google did for Android: they might open-source iOS? That's one way to attract more curious developers.

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Re: Apple and Android
Toms   2/8/2011 1:01:11 AM
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    Hard core, No need to be afraid (as a user), but surely as a developer. I tried to explain from user point of view. As a user, we are much concerned only about its features, user friendly, what’s going to offer in a distinguished way etc. As a developer you might be aware about the internal mess/facts, GUI problems, issues, complications etc. 

     Now it’s the open source era and Android is the new comer in this sector. Moreover it’s a child from Google, so techies and even common peoples are expecting something great from it and wishing for too. Now a day’s everybody is talking about the latest developments and trends in Android, Even many of the community sites, articles, blogs etc spreading news in similar line only (high expectations…).

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Re: Apple and Android
Hawk   2/7/2011 9:18:06 PM
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Hardcore, The question is still valid as Bolaji pointed out. Why would Apple consider using Android and give up its own OS? I don't see the benefits to Apple. Also, you talked about operating systems and applications being separate items. Yes, they are separate but you omit the fact applications run on operating systems. Apple apps are built to run on iOs and not on Android OS. This discussion on whether Apple will embrace Android is a diversion from the hardware/software issue. It is very unlikely to happen.

Hardcore
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Re: Apple and Android
Hardcore   2/7/2011 6:38:59 PM
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 Hi Toms,

I'm afraid describing  Android as  a:

"World class product with advance features"

Is not correct, it may appear that way from a limited perspective of some components, but that is not the reality. On the insides Android is a hacked mess, which is causing the industry some significant issues.

Don't get me wrong, I like Android , but there are far too many 'Egos' involved in the base development, and unfortunately they are not working together very well.

Then there is the Issue with the API(Application Programming Interface) continually Changing, basically the API is how all the system components work together, and how applications communicate with the underlying system. For long term stability and cross- version revision , the API must remain stable.

This is currently not happening and is causing some big players significant problems, by big players I am referring to the companies that produce  Silicon and write the 'closed' drivers.

There are some key decisions and commitments that need to be made by Google and then they have to standby those decisions long term. Unfortunatly that is not currently happening.

HC.



Hardcore
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Re: Apple and Android
Hardcore   2/7/2011 6:24:04 PM
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The discussion was about 'Android' tablets taking over market share not about individual applications running under  the operating system. 

Specifically we were asked "would Apple use Android"

They(operating system/applications) are two completely different matters, however be aware that if an application uses public domain code in any part of its construction, it too must be released, This includes any application built containing sections of the examples supplied as part of the development kit

As long as it does not do this, then it may remain closed and live in the Android Environment, at which point you have to give up 30% of your income when using the 'market'

What we are currently seeing is significant theft of the public domain codebase, by various parties.

HC.

 

 

 

Bolaji Ojo
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Re: Apple and Android
Bolaji Ojo   2/7/2011 11:11:18 AM
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t.alex, Toms, I don't see Apple embracing Android. It goes against Apple's Modus Operandi. This is a company that thrives on separating itself from the pack. Much as it has done with the Macintosh operating system it maintains a distance from other operating systems in tablets and iPod because that's a marketing mantra for the company.

Also, the installed base and developer community would not be able to so easily move from one platform to the other and I don't readily see the advantage to Apple anyway. If Apple is looking for extra growth opportunities (who isn't, though the company has other avenues than this?) it could license iOS to rival device manufacturers. This is a more likely scenario than for Apple to ditch its own operating system for Android.

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Re: Apple and Android
Anna young   2/7/2011 11:08:34 AM
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That would be the day. Apple is as likely to embrace Android as Nokia is to embrace Apple iOS or Motorola Mobility getting hitched with Nokia's Symbian. These guys distinguish themselves based on the totality of their offerings and the iOS is integral to Apple's marketing strategy.

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Re: Apple and Android
Toms   2/7/2011 6:28:54 AM
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     It can be happen, since merging and acquisition is very much common in any industry, anything can be happen at any time. If apple is happens to come up IPad with android as OS, in my opinion there are mainly two advantages.
  • Since Android is an open source, cost factor can be considerably reduced and hence IPad with low cost.
  • World class product with advance features.


t.alex
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Re: Apple and Android
t.alex   2/7/2011 3:53:26 AM
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It is not necessary to disclose everything when it comes to Android, especially Google has put in a java virtual machine for applications. People freely develop apps without being required to disclose any source code. 

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