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stochastic excursion
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Re: Why not Just buy Dollars instead???
stochastic excursion   4/11/2011 11:20:00 AM
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It's hard to be smart, even for the best of us, to be sure.  Yes if there is a shortfall in copper it would be *too* liquid for currency.

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Re: Why not Just buy Dollars instead???
tech4people   4/11/2011 10:52:48 AM
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Stochastic,

There is a very nice saying-Never underestimate the Stupidity of Politicians.

If they do see that demand for Copper has fallen off a cliff(and if the Chinese State is the largest holder of Copper),then what you say can very well come to fruition.

Would it be the best use of Copper? I am not so sure....

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Why not Just buy Dollars instead???
stochastic excursion   4/11/2011 10:39:55 AM
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Or they could just stamp it into yuan pieces.  Now that's hard currency.

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Re: Why not Just buy Dollars instead???
tech4people   4/7/2011 12:30:46 PM
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After all,It isn't like China is about to run out Copper anytime soon..

Farmers and various other small-time speculators all across China  have stock piled Tons and Tons of copper in the expectation that they will get much higher prices three-six months from now.

Its sure as hell going to be fun watching how things work out when prices start sliding as QE2 comes to a halt in May.

The Panic could well turn into a runaway dumping of thousands of Tons of Copper on the market,turning China into a ....Wait for it.....

Copper Exporter!!!

Fun times for sure.

Ashish.

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Why not Just buy Dollars instead???
tech4people   4/7/2011 12:24:52 PM
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Bolaji,

Its a well known fact that the reason Copper(alongwith all Commodities) are rising today is because of a Falling US Dollar[If you compare Copper prices in terms of Gold (Sound/real money)prices have actually fallen over the last year or so].

The reason that the US dollar is declining is because of lack of support from Big Players(like China,Japan) and the QE policy by the US Federal Reserve.

So all the Chinese have to do (to bring down Copper prices),is turn around and buy more and more US Dollars and US Treasuries.And Voila!!

The US dollar strengthens causing speculative interests to run away from the Commodity Complex and back into the US Dollar(following the Big money)...As a result the entire Commodity complex drops like a stone!!!

And China can buy all the Commodities they want at much lower prices (in US Dollar terms)....

Now thats Food for Thought!!!

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Deal Should Get Approved...This Time
Dave Sasson   4/7/2011 7:12:33 AM
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Hi anandvy, I believe the buyout figures were purposely generous for Equinox, as to avoid a competitive bid process, so I don’t see  other buyers at this point.

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Re: Deal Should Get Approved...This Time
anandvy   4/7/2011 3:43:52 AM
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Dave,

 I agree with you that Australian government may not be able to block this particular deal because most of the mines are situated outside Australia. But am just wondering what would be the reaction of US to this deal ?  Will it be interested to place its own bid on equnix ?


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Re: Deal Should Get Approved...This Time
stochastic excursion   4/6/2011 8:03:45 PM
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In principle as long as we are on friendly terms with China there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to corner the market on a few commodities.  The balance of trade would still have to be maintained.  As many of the consumers for electronics raw materials are in China itself, overcharging for the materials wouldn't make sense.  Since there is currently a tariff-free playing field, companies outside of China don't seem to be in very great danger of being squeezed out.

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Re: Deal Should Get Approved...This Time
Dave Sasson   4/6/2011 5:06:55 PM
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Hi Ms. Daisy, I am not say that there won’t be an impact, but what I am saying is that the Australian government may not be able to block this particular deal as it has other deals.  Because of the fact that the majority of Equinox’s mining assets are outside Australia.   And if they decide to change their laws based on this deal, it may cause some diplomatic issues.  We’ll see how this plays out and see if the deal get rejected or approved.

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Re: Deal Should Get Approved...This Time
Ms. Daisy   4/6/2011 3:03:14 PM
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Dave;

I beg to differ on the impact of this sale on Australia if it goes through. The fact that the government of China is owner of this company means that the control of the operations and  production of Equinox will be transfered to Minmetal. This definitely takes away any involvement or control by the Australian government once the bid goes through. There will be limits on what the regulations can control. More importantly, Australia will only become a conduit for the raw materials supply.

There is a slow but definite monopoly being built by the Chinese government for High tech raw materials. Australia's Foreign Investment Review Board should in my opinion deny this merger and other countries need to pay attention to China's long term strategy regarding raw materials or we will all be left as 100% consumers of China's products.

 

 

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