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Lead test using swab method
almost retired   3/28/2012 3:31:48 PM
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Does anyone have experience using a swab method for checking for lead in solder? One item on market is called Lead Check by 3m... wondering if it is reliable checking solder connections...

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5 things about RoHS
William K.   12/31/2011 3:11:03 PM
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Mario, you make a good point about cost. Of course the cost increase of soldering would probably be passed on to the buyer, but it certainly is a consideration. My guess is that the higher temperature needed may reduce the production line yield a bit, although I have not read any comments about that aspect.

I do wonder about how much solder, by weight, really is in many of the small consumer electronic items. Has anybody researched that? The original lie that was used to start the discussion claimed that the weight of lead in each computer was several pounds. That is the result of doing the division on the weight of lead claimed to have been dumped by the number of computers dumped. I wonder now if they were adding in the weight of the leaded glass in the monitor CRTs. Does anyone have information about how the lead in leaded glass might escape? My observation of glass is that it does not seem to deteriorate when it is buried in the ground.

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mario8a   12/30/2011 4:07:09 PM
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Hi William, in fact you listed three of the main concerns implementing lead free soldering, i'll like to add the extra cost for lead free soldering SAC alloy commonly use in the industry. Back in 2006 the SMD process was not ready for lead free, currently i'll say it is more estable, specially in uBGAs

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The reliability of lead free solders.
William K.   12/28/2011 7:29:18 PM
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Yes, the reliability of lead free solders is acknoledged as being quite a bit lower. That is why they are not used in military equipment or in heart pacemakers. The reduced reliability is in several areas: first, the lead free solders are more brittle, thus more likely to fail due to cracking under repeated stress and strain; second is the greater tendancy of those using tin to develop conductive whiskers that lead to short circuits; and third is the relibility reduction caused by the need for the soldering to be done at higher temperatures.

None of these reasons are "new", they are well known and have been discussed in the publications such as EDN and Design News. I certainly did not discover them, others did. 

Of course, when the only target is maximum product sales and profit, having a product fail leads to more sales, so the shorter product lifetimes have not bothered some manufacturers. On the opposite side, I would not knowingly sell a product with an intrinsic structural flaw that would reduce the value to my customers.

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Re: 5 things about RoHS
t.alex   12/28/2011 10:27:53 AM
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Really the solder is not reliable? This means RoHS affect product lifetime and quality? Something contradicting here?

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5 things about RoHS
William K.   12/21/2011 10:27:15 AM
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This is an interesting and worthwhile write-up. One thing that I do on those occasions when I look for a "consumer electronics" item, is to avoid those items that claim to be RoHS compliant, since it immediately identifies that the solder is inferior, and less reliable. We all know that this is true, although many will say that the higher temperatures and more brittle solder, combined with a greater tend toward whisker growth, really don't matter.

The products that we produce are not consumer items, and they are worth recycling, so our policy is to pay for the return of any of our products that our customers wish to discard. So far, the only items to be sent back to us have been sent for repairs or calibration recertification, not for disposal. So it seems that we have a decent product niche.

It would be a valuable service to the worlds ecology for some to acquire information on the actual reduction of the movement of the removed hazardous substances into the enviroment caused by this RoHS mandate. Understanding the actual benefits of any costly change is a very valuable insight for any business, which many sucsessful organizations work to achieve prior to making such changes. Of course, they often continue such a study after the changes are implemented, so as to verify the value of their action. It would be worthwhile for the various governing bodies to also know the actual value and benefits of their mandates. After all, many of us understand that there are unintended consequences of many actions.

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Re: RoHS
mario8a   12/21/2011 2:08:43 AM
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Many testing labs have their own logo such as ETL CSA, not having a logo prevents any kind of restriction on what lab to use and avoids confusion for the end customer about what logo or what lab is better. Besides RoHS do not enforce labeling, I think only RoHS China

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mario8a   12/21/2011 2:02:10 AM
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In my experience, meeting RoHS requirements was not our. Biggest concern, but managing all the i formation and certificates merried to the SGS report, until today many suppliers do no know how to fill the MDF correctly.

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Barbara Jorgensen   12/20/2011 3:44:41 PM
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How about the ever-popular 2.0 designation?

RoHS 2.0

t.alex
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t.alex   12/20/2011 9:53:19 AM
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Ahh how to indicate version on Rohs logo?

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