Analysts predict that new Nokia products designed for North America specifically, including the Lumia 900, will help boost Windows Phone to rank second the mobile OS market within three years. Do you agree with analysts prediction ?
What "helps" Microsoft in this is that the Android OS is split into a lot of companies, so they are, in a way, subdividing the Android customers between them, leaving people who don't want iOS or Android OS to Microsoft.
I also doubt it, but they are making very nice phones!
Yeah, windows seems very perfect choice for Nokia application. But not yet a close to iOS, we cant rule Android out completely. Nokia's latest design with 41-megapixel an eye catching selling point to rival Andorid phones? May be smartphone market pendulum swings towards the Finnish icon, a time playing game.
No doubt Nokia can make good hardware and comparable with Apple's products in no time. The key differentiators should be the Microsoft applications and infrastructure. Hope Microsoft does have something outstanding this time.
MSFT has this stigma that everything it makes is horrible and full of bugs... but from the phones I saw, their products are really nice! It also has the natural link with other softwares we use (Office suite, etc).
I went from a WM6.1 device to the new WP7 and there is no comparison. I have not encountered any bugs as of yet and the interface is amazing. Not quite yet the caliber of the Apple lines but very usable and simple. The only thing is, no one builds apps for it (relatively speaking). Once developers get on the bandwagon, I think they will be viable competitors for the big 2.
I think an incentive would be to make a HIT. And be one of the first to truly do so. As with all things tech, people always wait for AFTER something is big then oversaturate the market. If you stay innovative and have some foresight, there can be great things. But if everyone continues to only focus on iOS and Android, you will see what happens.
I think Microsoft has better future than android. I've heard many people complain about heat and battery depletion issues in android phones. With windows8 coming out soon Microsoft is certainly heading towards a great success. If this works successfully on arm there is no turning back for Microsoft.
I think, as difficult to predict also would take Nokia-Windows phone conjures up something special to overtake Apple and Samsung. Do you ever think Samsung smartphone would suffer in world market irrespective of OS it operates?
By the way windows has released different version of windows known as Windows RT for its ARM processor. This is creating lot of confusion among application developers. Mozilla product director has already said that Firefox on Window RT 'probably not worth it'.
_hm are you predicting MS acquiring RIM? Nokia/Microsoft patnership already in market, we just have to wait to see dimension smartphone market would take 2012 to 2013. Is it not difficult now with uncertainty hangs in the air? I bet you hardly foresee magical thing from Windows in mobile sector, though.
I dont think this will be a reality simply because there ae so many other options available right now than windows. Windows stand right at the bottom according to me with the features compared to others.
I think they should try to migrate apps, and have them coexist on android, iOS, etc... but also try a strategy that has worked well with them before, and that is to develop apps specific to their platform (Halo, for XBOX).
If their app strategy is integrated with the Xbox Live accounts of users, it will provide access to a flourishing user base. BUT if those users do not care to use WP devices, then it does not matter much. They must make the pitch for their new devices sweet enough for users to want to make the switch.
Microsoft's strategy to conquer the smartphone market will work if they build upon what they always have in place and make their products to be as versatile as possible. That is what the design of Windows 8 is all about, I think.
I believe a good product doesn't cut it anymore, at least not now, not now in the tablet market.
In order to compete with the iPad, you need to come up with a blow-your-mind offer. Get people to buy the product and then, get them with the software and apps. But the surface at the same price as the iPad isn't going to be enough.
You are correct about that. It is NEVER about the product. It is all about the marketing. If a vendor can make you feel like you need a product before you ever see it, it will be a hit out of the gate. Doing the reverse will typically result in lackluster profits.
They need to sell you an experience, that using that product will make you look cooler, better. But that's not the silver bullet... Amazon's Kindle Fire simply offered a good-enough product at a "rock bottom" price... people who didn't know what to do with an iPad bought the Fire in order to get a sense of what they are meant for.
Matteo, The answer is simple. The OEMs are playing for volume. The shipment of smartphones keeps surging and it's the new "PC" of the electronics world. If you aren't a player here perhaps nobody would even know you are around.
Thanks Bolaji, I got it now, it is a very clear picture. If you are a player in the sector, it is mandatory to be there for volumes and for allowing people to recognize your logo, your products (including other sectors) and so on.
If Windows OS is going to be No. 2 in the smartphone market as is being projected, the product is getting a rather late start. I don't think it will happen despite Nokia's efforts to champion the operating system. Samsung is also supporting other operating systems too and this could eat into future Windows share.
There is a new competitor, maybe. After all they are doing a strong recovery in terms of strategy, positioning and product: I mean Blackberry from RIM. Till a a few months ago, it was unpredictable, but I would share within the community, some opinions about how we can consider Blackberry in the arena and its impact for Winphone by 2015.
You have to give it some time though. The GS3 now is what everyone is praising in spite of the iPhone. If Samsung can maintain the steam they have now into the next few devices, it might be a possibility.
Taking a look at the consumer demands coupled with features of newer smartphones and emerging strong forces( Huawei ) into the markets a bit not sure about Windows in mobile phones not even becoming number 2.
With Android holding the market leads closely followed by iOS, and the new baby in town Firefox OS for me would likely hold no 2 or 3 come 2nd quarter 2014. Leaving the battle to Blackberry, Nokia and Windows to share the remaining portions.
>>If you would have uttered these statements a month back I would'nt have believed you.<<
@tech4people, one good thing about technology - makes people say or write all sort of things and get commendations and praises for. But days later, they become useless, those things become none existing.
May be the subject should now be re-framed to "What Chance would Windows has in smartphone markets"? Why this question? Reasons are:
1. Alcatel launched a featured phone cost just $1 and a few cents.
2. Firefox OS smartphone has about 9 OEMs
3. Andorid's traction in world markets increases
4. Huawei just launched fastest smartphone in the world
5. Blackberry is facing danger in developing world because its BBM now has a rival, software app messenger supporting all smartphone OSes.
@tech4people: well, honestly, I am not fully aware of RIM roadmap; maybe they have planned the plan based on results achieved on the last product launched; anyway I suspect it will be a topic to be targeted soon.
Consumers are getting sick of this constant cycle of Upgrades without seeing Genuinely Business Benefits (I heard lot of Consumers are putting off Upgrading their Old Windows XP machines simply because Microsoft still offers support till 2014) and once that happens they may move to the Next most Stable version on the Market(That would be Windows 7 today).
Microsoft intends to capture Africa by launching a promotional offers to mobile and desktop applications developers. This may become a tough battle for Blackerry if not for Samsung. Any strategic and better move than this? I like it. http://tekedia.com/47388/microsoft-9japps-competition-in-nigeria-win-a-kia-rio/
@tech4people: at the end, as you said, "competition is competion"; coming back to your previous post, I could agree on what people are saying and I would report also the whole developers' community is quite upset for the restriction still present on WinMob - it appears as platform not open at all.
Its getting more and More Difficult to be Bullish on Microsoft in the Smartphone Space.
@tech4people, I am not sure why you think like that. Infact Windows Phone is the fastest growing operating system of 2012 with 290% growth. If you refer to this graph you will observe that iOS grew by 16% and Anrdoid grew by 52%. This clearly shows that people are still excited about the windows OS.
I think markets would surely get to one side, and i can foresee Samsung becoming stronger. Even in developing nations where people still thinking high -end smartphones are too expensive but today, i tell you Samsung Android and iPhone are way to go for them now.
Would Apple ever cut down its iPhone prices or produce a less expensive smartphone series to cater for low end income earners in both developed and developing nations? As for Blackberry ( formerly RIM) its dependency on its BBM markets strategy in those markets seem weakening as a result of different mobile apps currently flooding world markets.
Would Apple ever cut down its iPhone prices or produce a less expensive smartphone series to cater for low end income earners in both developed and developing nations?
@Wale, eventually they have to cut the prices because it is already facing tough competition from Samsung. Moreover instead of providing innovative features Apple is providing same old features will minor udpates, which end users may not like.
Its either that or the fact that Windows Phones has started from a Very Small Base.
@tech4people, valid point. But lets not forget that Nokia Lumia phones are getting very good reviews hence it might boost the Windows user base. Moreoever MS is giving 100$ to the App developers, which might help the company to build its app database.
@tech4people, Windows is not only seeing a rapid growth in the number of apps that are being added to the store daily, but also regular updates that include tweaks to make the apps work better.This will definitely attract more number of users to buy Windows phone.
Changing technology can be a bad thing too!
Interesting points, Wale. Some of those things I did not know, such as Firefox creating a smartphone OS.
Also, I think Blackberry's problems are much bigger than with their BBM.
Agreed, tech4people. The Z10 seems to be a good product for Blackberry and is gaining them more of the market again. However, they need to keep designing good products like this in order to stay afloat, which may be difficult. Otherwise, they will fall again.
If you look at the R&D Budget of RIM today;its a fraction of what Apple and Samsung spend on Innovation and Research.
@tech4people, no doubt Apple and Samsung are investing hugely in R&D but still the latest released Apple and Samsung phone lack innovative fetures which shows that they are reaching saturation. This might help RIM which is not investing heavily in R&D.
In the case of Apple I would agree with you;but Samsung continues to generate extremely-extremely innovative Products to try and Capture every single part of the market out there.
@tech4people, Agreed Samsung continues to generate extremely innovative products, but if you look at the latest released Samasung galaxy many analysts are disappointed that it lack innovative features. I think the next big innovative thing will be to release mobiles with flexbile displays. Until then i think it will have just minor updates.
They need one product to take on the Ipad Mini , one to take on the S4 and HTC-One aggressively and one to compete at the Low end with Samsung's innumerable Offerings.
@tech4people, Lumia 920 is directly competing with S4 and HTC-one. Other Lumia series are directly competing with low end android based phones. Hence I believe Windows has sufficient varieties to compete in different market segments.
anandvy, what is the basis of such prediction? The mail chain is so long that i do not know whether you have already provided the link? I agree that more and more smartphone manufacturer are providing third alternative to the consumers but how much impact will it have will depend on the symbiotic relationship of hardware and software.
Smartphone market is a dynamic market , hardware and software is linked together and the changes in one technology affect the other. So it is difficult to predict how will be the market in three years. I believe the analysts just guessing ...
That might all change now with the ruling against Samsung!
@pocharle, ruling against samsung is good news for the Microsoft. So windows will emerge as major competitor to Apple because feel and display of windows phones is totally different compared to Apple phones.
They have a LOT of work to do to catch up (even to Android)!
@pocharle, no doubt they have lot of work to do to catch up but definitely things are looking promising for Windows. Nokia's new Lumia smartphones will go on sale in November, taking on the iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S III ahead of the Christmas season. I am sure Lumia series will help Windows to capture bigger share in smartphone market.
They are new market game changers ( Amazon and Google), all for Android. While Nokia and Microsoft seem a strong force. I do think Apple should begin to worry now because markets would never and cant be a 2 horse race between it and Samsung.
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