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Windows to be No 2 in smartphone market by 2015?
anandvy   1/22/2012 7:12:18 AM
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Analysts predict that new Nokia products designed for North America specifically, including the Lumia 900, will help boost Windows Phone to rank second the mobile OS market within three years. Do you agree with analysts prediction ?

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Adeniji Kayode   1/22/2012 8:58:19 AM
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presently now I can,t see how but then that depends on if truly other manufacturers will go to sleep as windows proposed. The world of technology is a world of competitions, anything can happen.

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Clairvoyant   1/25/2012 2:06:42 PM
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I agree, Adeniji. Anything can happen in the market, however I see it unlikely that Windows would move up to 2nd in the mobile marketplace.

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Mr. Roques   1/26/2012 5:02:52 PM
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What "helps" Microsoft in this is that the Android OS is split into a lot of companies, so they are, in a way, subdividing the Android customers between them, leaving people who don't want iOS or Android OS to Microsoft.

I also doubt it, but they are making very nice phones!

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Clairvoyant   2/22/2012 6:00:25 PM
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That's true. Also with the Android market being divided amongst manufacturers, it makes it harder for any one Android based manufacturer to gain a large portion of the market.

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Wale Bakare   3/4/2012 3:31:52 PM
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Yeah, windows seems very perfect choice for Nokia application. But not yet a close to iOS, we cant rule Android out completely. Nokia's latest design with 41-megapixel an eye catching selling point to rival Andorid phones? May be smartphone market pendulum swings towards the Finnish icon, a time playing game.

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t.alex   2/25/2012 10:20:50 AM
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No doubt Nokia can make good hardware and comparable with Apple's products in no time. The key differentiators should be the Microsoft applications and infrastructure. Hope Microsoft does have something outstanding this time.

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Mr. Roques   2/29/2012 11:10:13 AM
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MSFT has this stigma that everything it makes is horrible and full of bugs... but from the phones I saw, their products are really nice! It also has the natural link with other softwares we use (Office suite, etc).

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pocharle   2/29/2012 11:39:41 AM
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I went from a WM6.1 device to the new WP7 and there is no comparison. I have not encountered any bugs as of yet and the interface is amazing. Not quite yet the caliber of the Apple lines but very usable and simple. The only thing is, no one builds apps for it (relatively speaking). Once developers get on the bandwagon, I think they will be viable competitors for the big 2.

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t.alex   3/3/2012 8:34:06 PM
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Those developers who work on Windows desktop before would have the advantage of working on this WM7 platform. However those who work on Android or iOS would have little incentive to switch over.

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Clairvoyant   3/4/2012 1:19:10 PM
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Good point, T.Alex. It is hard to switch OS's once you are used to using one type all the time.

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pocharle   3/9/2012 8:19:49 PM
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I think an incentive would be to make a HIT. And be one of the first to truly do so. As with all things tech, people always wait for AFTER something is big then oversaturate the market. If you stay innovative and have some foresight, there can be great things. But if everyone continues to only focus on iOS and Android, you will see what happens.

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t.alex   3/10/2012 7:21:31 AM
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How many Windows phone being sold so far ? And how many projected to be sold? That will be the potential market for developers.

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pocharle   3/18/2012 5:05:03 PM
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Not doing too great.

Here's an illustration for thought:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1452474

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t.alex   4/2/2012 12:04:27 PM
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Just a thought. Will it be cool if developer can still do Windows app from Mac OS or Linux OS. These are all possible for the case of Android.

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pocharle   4/7/2012 11:43:11 AM
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It would be nice, maybe. I am not a developer but I guess making it available to develop on any platform may increase API-affinity. But if people truly wanted to create WP apps, they would find a way.

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t.alex   4/7/2012 10:00:40 PM
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Of course, if development tools are free of charge like Android, that will be a big plus.

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pocharle   4/12/2012 7:35:51 PM
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t.alex,

Not necessarily free, but readily available. Most developers don't mind paying for development tools as long as they know they will have a decent return on investment.

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elctrnx_lyf   4/20/2012 10:08:49 AM
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I think Microsoft has better future than android. I've heard many people complain about heat and battery depletion issues in android phones. With windows8 coming out soon Microsoft is certainly heading towards a great success. If this works successfully on arm there is no turning back for Microsoft.

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pocharle   4/22/2012 5:08:23 PM
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I am a little surprised. I have spoken to many people who think that Android is on the decline although they have a major share of the handset market now. Do you see WP being #2 within the next year?

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What of Samsung?
Wale Bakare   5/23/2012 11:47:04 AM
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Do you see WP being #2 within the next year?

I think, as difficult to predict also would take Nokia-Windows phone conjures up something special to overtake Apple and Samsung. Do you ever think Samsung smartphone would suffer in world market irrespective of OS it operates?


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pocharle   5/29/2012 11:04:55 AM
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They are in a great position since #1, they make great devices
#2 they do have the wide net of service providers

It would take a major blunder for them to lose device market share.

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Re: What of Samsung?
Clairvoyant   5/30/2012 6:41:40 AM
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I agree. Samsung are in a good position in the marketplace and they make good devices. I think it would take something significant to knock them from their current position.

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pocharle   5/31/2012 8:55:20 AM
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I think if Android continues to grow marketshare, it will be an even bigger pot for Samsung. I wish they would make more WP7 handsets.

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anandvy   8/13/2012 12:13:30 AM
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I think if Android continues to grow marketshare, it will be an even bigger pot for Samsung.

@pocharle, I agree with your observation. Infact viceversa is also true, i.e if OEM release good featured handsets then it would help Android to capture even bigger market. 

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pocharle   8/22/2012 1:44:19 AM
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True but capturing market share simply because it's available in more places can be misleading. A happy Apple customer might be more valuable than 100 semi-satisfied or dissatisfied Android users.

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Adeniji Kayode   8/10/2012 11:47:27 PM
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You are right, samsung is really doing a good job with the android.

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Clairvoyant   4/22/2012 7:07:55 PM
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Based on the current Windows platform, I think it would be surprising if a new mobile version of Windows doesn't eat up system resources.

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tirlapur   5/19/2012 8:14:54 AM
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By the way windows has released different version of windows known as Windows RT for its ARM processor. This is creating lot of confusion among application developers. Mozilla product director has already said that Firefox on Window RT 'probably not worth it'. 

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_hm   5/19/2012 9:15:26 AM
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Yes, we would loke to see one more magic product and marketing for Windows for mobile. If not, they can takeover RIM with its BB10. 

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mfbertozzi   5/22/2012 11:51:09 PM
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(imo) It takes about 3 years from now, it is quite long how to predict Windows rank in smartphone market, considering 3 years ago most of us weren't aware of Android, for example?

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Wale Bakare   5/23/2012 11:38:29 AM
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_hm are you predicting MS acquiring RIM? Nokia/Microsoft patnership already in market, we just have to wait to see dimension smartphone market would take 2012 to 2013. Is it not difficult now with uncertainty hangs in the air? I bet you hardly foresee magical thing from Windows in mobile sector, though.

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nimantha.d   3/31/2012 5:47:10 AM
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I dont think this will be a reality simply because there ae so many other options available right now than windows. Windows stand right at the bottom according to me with the features compared to others.

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Mr. Roques   5/30/2012 9:04:16 PM
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Well, I heard that MSFT is paying developers to create new apps or to migrate apps from Apple to WP7. Do you know any companies that went through that?

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pocharle   5/31/2012 8:58:19 AM
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Not off the top of my head. I hope they do. My lonely WP7 device wants to make friends with the rest of the app world.

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Mr. Roques   7/11/2012 11:19:33 PM
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I think they should try to migrate apps, and have them coexist on android, iOS, etc... but also try a strategy that has worked well with them before, and that is to develop apps specific to their platform (Halo, for XBOX).

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pocharle   7/22/2012 9:46:23 AM
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If their app strategy is integrated with the Xbox Live accounts of users, it will provide access to a flourishing user base. BUT if those users do not care to use WP devices, then it does not matter much. They must make the pitch for their new devices sweet enough for users to want to make the switch.

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Hospice_Houngbo   8/20/2012 12:46:53 PM
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@pocharles,

Microsoft's strategy to conquer the smartphone market will work if they build upon what they always have in place and make their products to be as versatile as possible. That is what the design of Windows 8 is all about, I think.

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pocharle   8/22/2012 1:49:49 AM
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Hmmm. I don't necessarily agree with that but I guess the market will be the deciding group.

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Mr. Roques   8/25/2012 7:23:31 PM
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Yeah, the current trend is to try to integrate the full product line ... photos, music, apps. I'm sure it will have that functionality.

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pocharle   8/28/2012 11:58:05 AM
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Now they're going with a TV line as well. You might soon see competition with Microsoft-Xbox integration.

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Clairvoyant   8/28/2012 2:06:25 PM
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Hi, Pocharle. Are you saying Microsoft is going into the TV business? Or are you referring to another company?

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pocharle   8/29/2012 12:16:40 PM
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No Apple. With the Apple TV to be released some time this year I believe.

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Mr. Roques   9/12/2012 10:55:39 AM
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Welll, they've had the Apple TV for quite some time now. It works well (Netflix, etc), so yeah, they are full into making an iEnvironment.

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pocharle   9/19/2012 11:25:18 AM
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They already have. I believe most users that have one device will soon purchase another one within the next 6 months-year

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Wale Bakare   10/26/2012 6:23:22 PM
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Let us wait till then though, there are many factorable things determine the smartphone markets.

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pocharle   10/28/2012 9:13:47 AM
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If the surface does well, it might help to push the Windows 8 machine for MSFT.

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Mr. Roques   10/31/2012 5:39:59 PM
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I believe a good product doesn't cut it anymore, at least not now, not now in the tablet market. 

In order to compete with the iPad, you need to come up with a blow-your-mind offer. Get people to buy the product and then, get them with the software and apps. But the surface at the same price as the iPad isn't going to be enough.

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pocharle   10/31/2012 9:14:27 PM
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You are correct about that. It is NEVER about the product. It is all about the marketing. If a vendor can make you feel like you need a product before you ever see it, it will be a hit out of the gate. Doing the reverse will typically result in lackluster profits.

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pocharle   11/20/2012 6:30:21 PM
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It's really about marketing MORE than just the device itself. I think now, people are more concerned with the integrated experience, not just how once device works well.

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Mr. Roques   12/14/2012 2:02:52 PM
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They need to sell you an experience, that using that product will make you look cooler, better. But that's not the silver bullet... Amazon's Kindle Fire simply offered a good-enough product at a "rock bottom" price... people who didn't know what to do with an iPad bought the Fire in order to get a sense of what they are meant for.

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pocharle   12/17/2012 9:40:37 PM
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Adding all the iPad-like features helped out a ton. I saw the Kindle and thought it would not last too long. But then the Fire changed the game a little.

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Himanshugupta   12/31/2012 1:38:09 PM
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User experience is really the best for Apple products. Most are just catching up. its a long shot for Windows to replace either Andriod or iOS to capture no 2 spot.

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pocharle   12/31/2012 6:48:15 PM
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I agree. But you have to start somewhere.

And they've pumped a ton of marketing $$$ into their efforts so anything is possible.

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Mr. Roques   1/10/2013 4:46:32 PM
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But both the Amazon Kindle and the Kindle Fire have been successful products. The are aimed at different targets but just by the amount of units sold, there's no question about it.

When you compare a Kindle Fire with an iPad, besides the obvious size difference, there are a ton of other features that are missing but for that price, who will complain?

Regarding MSFT, they are trying to compete directly with the iPad, similar price, same size... the apps and UX should be the key factors. 

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pocharle   1/22/2013 10:10:25 AM
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Apps more than anything since I feel like anyone NOT buying the iPad upfront is okay with the different UI.

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mfbertozzi   1/26/2013 12:51:12 PM
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Did you hear about the new comer in the sector ? Mozilla is launching Firefox Smartphone and maybe this is another actor to play against for Windows.

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pocharle   1/27/2013 10:22:51 PM
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Interesting. I wonder if it'll run Android?

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mfbertozzi   1/28/2013 2:43:23 AM
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Well, as far as I know, it runs a customized operating system, named FirefoxOS. At this stage, I haven't collected much more, but I am going to investigate in ;-)

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pocharle   1/28/2013 10:34:58 AM
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I'm keeping my hopes low. Maybe it will exceed my expectations. But flooding the market with different variations of the same thing can get boring very quickly.

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mfbertozzi   1/28/2013 12:37:15 PM
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In fact, we could discuss why several players are " flooding " that market segment. Honestly, speaking for myself, it is not really clear.

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Bolaji Ojo   1/28/2013 5:56:52 PM
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Matteo, The answer is simple. The OEMs are playing for volume. The shipment of smartphones keeps surging and it's the new "PC" of the electronics world. If you aren't a player here perhaps nobody would even know you are around.

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mfbertozzi   2/6/2013 2:51:31 AM
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Thanks Bolaji, I got it now, it is a very clear picture. If you are a player in the sector, it is mandatory to be there for volumes and for allowing people to recognize your logo, your products (including other sectors) and so on.

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Bolaji Ojo   1/28/2013 6:00:12 PM
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If Windows OS is going to be No. 2 in the smartphone market as is being projected, the product is getting a rather late start. I don't think it will happen despite Nokia's efforts to champion the operating system. Samsung is also supporting other operating systems too and this could eat into future Windows share.

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pocharle   1/30/2013 12:54:44 AM
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Simple. They're all tying to get a piece of the pie.

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Bolaji Ojo   1/28/2013 5:58:00 PM
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The strategy is to swamp the market to pull the customer over to your side and perplex the competition. It's working for Samsung now but as you noted this sword can cut both ways.

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pocharle   1/30/2013 12:55:34 AM
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I think that after enough 'competition', only a few key players rise to the top and actually get real consumer attention.

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mfbertozzi   2/6/2013 2:56:14 AM
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There is a new competitor, maybe. After all they are doing a strong recovery in terms of strategy, positioning and product: I mean Blackberry from RIM. Till a a few months ago, it was unpredictable, but I would share within the community, some opinions about how we can consider Blackberry in the arena and its impact for Winphone by 2015.

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Mr. Roques   1/29/2013 7:40:20 PM
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Well, not knowing anything else, users might get used to old motorola phones but when compared to other smartphones... I'm sure most people will say Apple's UX is one of the best.

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pocharle   1/30/2013 12:56:32 AM
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It is. The GSIII is rivaling pretty well but Apple is rather untouchable at this moment in the UI/UX arena for most of their products.

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tech4people   1/30/2013 7:32:36 AM
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Charle,

I disagree.

Any fan of Samsung Products[SIII and Note2] will disagree with you today.

Samsung makes beautiful products today at the Higher-end;with much higher degrees of Innovation,Creativity and much-much better UI/UX experience than Apple today.

Sounds scary to most Apple fans(I agree) but that's how it is today.

Apple has simply gotten complacent on their early success and I fully expect Samsung and a revitalized Nokia and RIM to eat their Lunch.

Regards

Ashish.

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pocharle   1/30/2013 7:32:27 PM
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Some would argue that those UI/UX innovations were piggy-backed from Apple's products. Not saying that it's still not innovation but I'm sure they got the inspiration from somewhere...

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tech4people   1/31/2013 4:09:51 AM
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Charle,

Most definitely not from Apple!!!

If they did;you would have seen the awesome innovations in Apple products too;Would'nt you?

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pocharle   1/31/2013 12:30:57 PM
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Huh. forgot about this:

Snippet from a news article:

"Apple scored a sweeping legal victory over its South Korean competitor in August when a jury found Samsung had copied critical features of the iPhone and iPad."

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tech4people   1/31/2013 2:12:20 PM
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Charle,

I could say the very same things about Apple too! Don't forget that Samsung also has won some Legal battles against Apple!!!

My belief is this issue will be decided in the marketplace and not Court-room and its extremely clear that Samsung is winning here!

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pocharle   1/31/2013 5:13:49 PM
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You have to give it some time though. The GS3 now is what everyone is praising in spite of the iPhone. If Samsung can maintain the steam they have now into the next few devices, it might be a possibility.

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tech4people   2/3/2013 11:05:58 AM
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Charle,

My Sentiments exactly!

Let's wait and watch!!!

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pocharle   2/15/2013 1:20:26 PM
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I'm one of the skeptics and doubt it but we will see.

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tech4people   2/15/2013 2:51:12 PM
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PoCharle,

 

Your Gonna like this one-

www.techrepublic.com/blog/australia/ubuntu-phone-tizen-firefox-os-the-mobile-battle-for-fifth/

 

The Smartphone OS Wars has gotten new and more interesting entrants.

I strongly expect Samsung-INtel backed Tizen to do well.

Really,really well.

Must read!

 

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pocharle   2/16/2013 9:15:03 PM
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Interesting!

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tech4people   2/17/2013 5:40:31 AM
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Charle,

Yes that is precisely what I was thinking too.

Very,Very Interesting!!!

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pocharle   2/18/2013 11:02:19 PM
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Techrepublic is always a good source for news that no one else reports on. For the super geeky.

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tech4people   2/19/2013 2:39:51 AM
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Charle,

Quite right!


Techrepublic contains some amazing information!!!

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Re: Windows to be No 2 in smartphone market by 2015?
pocharle   2/21/2013 11:48:57 AM
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Yupp. They have a pretty good research and editorial team.

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Re: Windows to be No 2 in smartphone market by 2015?
Wale Bakare   3/7/2013 7:00:20 PM
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Taking a look at the consumer demands coupled with features of newer smartphones and emerging strong forces( Huawei ) into the markets a bit not sure about Windows in mobile phones not even becoming number 2. 

With Android holding the market leads closely followed by iOS, and the new baby in town Firefox OS for me would likely hold no 2 or 3 come 2nd quarter 2014. Leaving the battle to Blackberry, Nokia and Windows to share the remaining portions.

 

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Re: Windows to be No 2 in smartphone market by 2015?
tech4people   3/8/2013 10:21:32 AM

Wale,

If you would have uttered these statements a month back I would'nt have believed you.

But now I have seen some new Data and Information which backs what you are saying Here.

Even you will find it interesting

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/149762-four-months-in-windows-8-adoption-is-almost-at-a-standstill

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/150130-microsoft-cuts-the-price-of-windows-8-and-office-2013-to-spur-slow-adoption

 

Windows 8 is in BIG Trouble.

I have also had the chance to experiment with some Windows 8 Phones recently-Lumia 820 and 920s.

I was most dissapointed by the Lack of Search Feature (for Files) there.

Not a Good way to go Microsoft!

Not a Good way at all!!

 

 

 

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Windows in Smartphone Markets?
Wale Bakare   3/9/2013 11:49:51 AM
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>>If you would have uttered these statements a month back I would'nt have believed you.<<

@tech4people, one good thing about technology - makes people say or write all sort of things and get commendations and praises for. But days later, they become useless, those things become none existing.

May be the subject should now be re-framed to "What Chance would Windows has in smartphone markets"? Why this question? Reasons are:

1. Alcatel launched a featured phone cost just $1 and a few cents.

2. Firefox OS smartphone has about 9 OEMs

3. Andorid's traction in world markets increases

4. Huawei just launched fastest smartphone in the world

5. Blackberry is facing danger in developing world because its BBM now has a rival,  software app messenger supporting all smartphone OSes.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   3/13/2013 11:07:19 AM
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Wale,

Very true! Its getting more and More Difficult to be Bullish on Microsoft in the Smartphone Space.

However,if they do cut prices substantially for their OS[To say $30/Phone];I still see a Definitive Market for them there.

 

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
mfbertozzi   3/30/2013 6:23:12 AM
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Recent events are depicting RIM is recovering and its market trend is facing a really positive trend. Maybe it is another player to consider and it was unpredictable only a few months ago...

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   3/30/2013 2:05:02 PM
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mfb,

I agree.

Blackberry is doing very,very well on the Back of the Success of the Z10.

It also helps Blackberry's case that the Iphone 5 was a disaster while Samsung is yet to come out with the S4 and HTC to come out with THE ONE[Which will happen very soon].

Once that happens,RIM will not have any New Models(beyond the Z10) to compete with them.

Any Ideas how does RIM's Product Pipeline look like today?

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(RIM roadmap) Windows in Smartphone Markets?
mfbertozzi   4/2/2013 8:35:50 AM
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@tech4people: well, honestly, I am not fully aware of RIM roadmap; maybe they have planned the plan based on results achieved on the last product launched; anyway I suspect it will be a topic to be targeted soon.

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Re: (RIM roadmap) Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/2/2013 9:59:51 AM
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Mfb,

Yes The Hard-work for RIM has just started today.

It gets harder and Harder from here onwards.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: (RIM roadmap) Windows in Smartphone Markets?
mfbertozzi   4/3/2013 7:34:28 AM
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@tech4people: that's right and there is another good news; based on recent results achieved on sales, they have decided to distribute profit ! Very good recover !

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Re: (RIM roadmap) Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/3/2013 3:08:43 PM
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Mfb,

You sure about Windows 8 on the Apps Front???

Do read this to get a good idea how consumers are thinking about this Critical Issue today

http://searchenterprisedesktop.techtarget.com/news/2240179957/Lack-of-enterprise-Windows-8-app-development-tools-complicates-upgrades

 

Consumers are getting sick of this constant cycle of Upgrades without seeing Genuinely Business Benefits (I heard lot of Consumers are putting off Upgrading their Old Windows XP machines simply because Microsoft still offers support till 2014) and once that happens they may move to the Next most Stable version on the Market(That would be Windows 7 today).

I am just saying...

Nothing is clear-cut yet.

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Re: (RIM roadmap) Windows in Smartphone Markets?
Wale Bakare   4/3/2013 6:24:49 PM
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Microsoft intends to capture Africa by launching a promotional offers to mobile and desktop applications developers. This may become a tough battle for Blackerry if not for Samsung.  Any strategic and better move than this? I like it. http://tekedia.com/47388/microsoft-9japps-competition-in-nigeria-win-a-kia-rio/

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Re: (RIM roadmap) Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/4/2013 7:05:26 AM
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Wale,

Yes The Major Advantage that Microsoft has here is Scale.

RIM can't match the Scale/Channel partners that Microsoft has here.

Will they be able to Leverage it successfully?

Only time will tell.

 

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Re: (RIM roadmap) Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/3/2013 3:22:23 PM
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@mfb,

Yes its getting very,very interesting in the Mobile Phone Wars for sure!!!

Good to see RIM and Nokia fighting it out with the Big Two aggressively!!!

More competition the better for everybody concerned.

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Re: (RIM roadmap) Windows in Smartphone Markets?
mfbertozzi   4/4/2013 8:35:46 AM
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@tech4people: at the end, as you said, "competition is competion"; coming back to your previous post, I could agree on what people are saying and I would report also the whole developers' community is quite upset for the restriction still present on WinMob - it appears as platform not open at all.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tirlapur   4/1/2013 2:43:46 PM
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Its getting more and More Difficult to be Bullish on Microsoft in the Smartphone Space.

@tech4people, I am not sure why you think like that. Infact Windows Phone is the fastest growing operating system of 2012 with 290% growth. If you refer to this graph you will observe that iOS grew by 16% and Anrdoid grew by 52%. This clearly shows that people are still excited about the windows OS.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/2/2013 10:12:05 AM
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Tirlapur,

Its either that or the fact that Windows Phones has started from a Very Small Base.

A lot of Features(like the lack of a Basic File Search Option in the latest Windows 8 Mobile Phones) dissapoint a Lot of real Consumers.

Anyways,Its still earlier days today.

Nokia has staked its entire Future behind Windows Mobile and will not like to see them fail.

Let's wait and watch how things proceed over the next year or so.

I strongly expect Apple to lose Marketshare (simply because their Phones are too expensive for most Global Consumers);Question will Microsoft be in Position to pick up from them?

Or will that go to Android/Firefox?

Only Time will tell.

 

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
Wale Bakare   4/2/2013 10:31:15 AM
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I think markets would surely get to one side, and i can foresee Samsung becoming stronger. Even in developing nations where people still thinking high -end smartphones are too expensive but today, i tell you Samsung Android and iPhone are way to go for them now. 

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/2/2013 10:39:19 AM
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Wale,

Samsung is already taking the Entire High-End Smartphone Space by a Storm in Developing Nations;thereby Grabbing Market-share from RIM and Apple.

I see Apple as a Big Loser here(unless they Cut Prices aggressively).

 

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
Wale Bakare   4/2/2013 10:51:22 AM
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Would Apple ever cut down its iPhone prices or produce a less expensive smartphone series to cater for low end income earners in both developed and developing nations? As for Blackberry ( formerly RIM) its dependency on its BBM markets strategy in those markets seem weakening as a result of different mobile apps currently flooding world markets. 

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/2/2013 11:19:03 AM
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Wale,

Yes if they don't do this effectively-That will Signal the Demise of Apple as the No.1 Smartphone company in the world.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tirlapur   4/2/2013 11:59:03 AM
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Would Apple ever cut down its iPhone prices or produce a less expensive smartphone series to cater for low end income earners in both developed and developing nations?

@Wale, eventually they have to cut the prices because it is already facing tough competition from Samsung. Moreover instead of providing innovative features Apple is providing same old features will minor udpates, which end users may not like.


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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tirlapur   4/2/2013 11:54:59 AM
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Its either that or the fact that Windows Phones has started from a Very Small Base.

@tech4people, valid point. But lets not forget that Nokia Lumia phones are getting very good reviews hence it might boost the Windows user base. Moreoever MS is giving 100$ to the App developers,  which might help the company to build its app database.


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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/2/2013 11:57:04 AM
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Tirlapur,

Yes.

Let's wait and watch!

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tirlapur   4/3/2013 2:43:00 AM
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Let's wait and watch!

@tech4people, Windows is not only seeing a rapid growth in the number of apps that are being added to the store daily, but also regular updates that include tweaks to make the apps work better.This will definitely attract more number of users to buy Windows phone.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
Clairvoyant   3/13/2013 8:01:48 PM
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Changing technology can be a bad thing too! Interesting points, Wale. Some of those things I did not know, such as Firefox creating a smartphone OS. Also, I think Blackberry's problems are much bigger than with their BBM.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   3/30/2013 2:07:47 PM
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Clairvoyovant,

RIM has rallied very-very well from the Brink today.

Thanks primarily to their Z10 it is showing great traction today.

Question is what do they have in the Product Pipeline now?

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
Clairvoyant   3/31/2013 8:23:46 AM
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Agreed, tech4people. The Z10 seems to be a good product for Blackberry and is gaining them more of the market again. However, they need to keep designing good products like this in order to stay afloat, which may be difficult. Otherwise, they will fall again.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   3/31/2013 8:44:53 AM
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Clairvoyant,

True.

If you look at the R&D Budget of RIM today;its a fraction of what Apple and Samsung spend on Innovation and Research.

So how are they Gonna Keep churning out Path-breaking Products to take on the BIG TWO[Maybe if you add Nokia in  it becomes BIG THREE???]?

That's the Big Question here.

I have a suggestion(for RIM).

They have to try and outsource part of the Process to Independent Designers.

And on Successful Designs they give them a Cut of Every Phone Sold.

There is no other way RIM can compete with the Big TWO today.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tirlapur   4/1/2013 11:35:43 AM
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If you look at the R&D Budget of RIM today;its a fraction of what Apple and Samsung spend on Innovation and Research.

@tech4people, no doubt Apple and Samsung are investing hugely in R&D but still the latest released Apple and Samsung phone lack innovative fetures which shows that they are reaching saturation. This might help RIM which is not investing heavily in R&D.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/1/2013 11:46:55 AM
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Tirlapur,

In the case of Apple I would agree with you;but Samsung continues to generate extremely-extremely innovative Products to try and Capture every single part of the market out there.

Just look at the price range their Products are in Developing markets like Asia,Africa and South.America today and you will get a clearer idea.

 

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tirlapur   4/1/2013 2:38:44 PM
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In the case of Apple I would agree with you;but Samsung continues to generate extremely-extremely innovative Products to try and Capture every single part of the market out there.

@tech4people, Agreed Samsung continues to generate extremely innovative products, but if you look at the latest released Samasung galaxy many analysts are disappointed that it lack innovative features. I think the next big innovative thing will be to release mobiles with flexbile displays. Until then i think it will have just minor updates.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/2/2013 10:33:58 AM
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Tirlapur,

I would be wary before Saying the Innovation from Samsung is over or incremental.

Let's wait for the New S4 first to get a wide release.

Also,lets not forget that even a year after the S3's Launch most Competitors still can't match their feature-set(Consumers are still getting to know their features!!!).

I would wait for a while to say more on this issue.

 

 

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tirlapur   4/1/2013 11:31:23 AM
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Question is what do they have in the Product Pipeline now?

@tech4people, I believe BlackBerry is planning for Blackberry 10 tablet sometime in Q3 followed by a large-screened phablet codenamed the U10 sometime in the late Q4.


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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/2/2013 10:44:43 AM
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Tirlapur,

If that's the case,then its not sufficent.

They need one product to take on the Ipad Mini , one to take on the S4 and HTC-One aggressively and one to compete at the Low end with Samsung's innumerable Offerings.

 

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tirlapur   4/2/2013 12:02:00 PM
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They need one product to take on the Ipad Mini , one to take on the S4 and HTC-One aggressively and one to compete at the Low end with Samsung's innumerable Offerings.

@tech4people, Lumia 920 is directly competing with S4 and HTC-one. Other Lumia series are directly competing with low end android based phones. Hence I believe Windows has sufficient varieties to compete in different market segments.

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Re: Windows in Smartphone Markets?
tech4people   4/2/2013 12:06:36 PM
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Tirlapur,

My Mistake I was referring to RIM here(in my Final post)!!!

Sorry for Confusion.

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Re: Windows to be No 2 in smartphone market by 2015?
t.alex   8/3/2012 2:51:43 PM
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That is possible phone OEM release new windows models every 6 months like what happen previously for android.

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Re: Windows to be No 2 in smartphone market by 2015?
Himanshugupta   8/31/2012 8:19:54 AM
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anandvy, what is the basis of such prediction? The mail chain is so long that i do not know whether you have already provided the link? I agree that more and more smartphone manufacturer are providing third alternative to the consumers but how much impact will it have will depend on the symbiotic relationship of hardware and software.

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Re: Windows to be No 2 in smartphone market by 2015?
Nemos   10/28/2012 2:16:48 PM
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Nice post Anandy,

Smartphone market  is a dynamic market , hardware and software is linked together and the changes in one technology affect the other. So it is difficult to predict how will be the market in three years. I believe the analysts just guessing ...

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jbond   4/11/2012 10:51:32 AM
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I just can't see how that would happen given the shear amount of devices out there running Android and the available access to the software by most manufacturers.

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pocharle   8/30/2012 8:37:26 PM
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That might all change now with the ruling against Samsung!

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tirlapur   9/19/2012 2:01:52 AM
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That might all change now with the ruling against Samsung!

@pocharle, ruling against samsung is good news for the Microsoft. So windows will emerge as major competitor to Apple because feel and display of windows phones is totally different compared to Apple phones. 

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pocharle   9/19/2012 11:26:22 AM
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We will see. They have a LOT of work to do to catch up (even to Android)!

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tirlapur   9/30/2012 2:34:49 PM
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They have a LOT of work to do to catch up (even to Android)!

@pocharle, no doubt they have lot of work to do to catch up but definitely things are looking promising for Windows. Nokia's new Lumia smartphones will go on sale in November, taking on the iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S III ahead of the Christmas season. I am sure Lumia series will help Windows to capture bigger share in smartphone market.

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pocharle   9/30/2012 5:29:13 PM
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Funny. My PC friend swears Appl stole the Lumia protoype and used it for the i5.

We will see. I hope they become a viable alternative since I am a WP user and no one else I know has even seen one (besides on the commericals).

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What About Apple?
Wale Bakare   10/26/2012 5:53:22 PM
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They are new market game changers ( Amazon and Google), all for Android. While Nokia and Microsoft seem a strong force. I do think Apple should begin to worry now because markets would never and cant be a 2 horse race between it and Samsung.





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